Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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TallbutBuxomly said:
Really? So the primary evidence that they have built both cases against him on in is in theory trumped up as there was none of his dna evident. Of course. Every reason to hand himself over when more and more keeps coming out disproving the allegations against him.
So far...
Both females are known to have socialised with him after the event quite happily.
One of them even bragged about the time she had spent with him after the event.
One allegation where he was said to have intentionally split a condom is proven a lie a since there is none of his dna on said condom.
Another allegation that he had sex with the other woman while she was asleep is now deeply suspect since the first appears to have lied about the condom being split by him
A UK gov dept threatened to remove the embassies protected status and storm it to take him into custody. A threat that is pretty much unhread of being made all because he is alleged to have commited sexual offences in a foreign country which just looks very suspect.
Long and short it is looking more and more like he has no charges to answer. Sorry if that doesnt fit with your idea of justice but it looks more and more like this is as he has said from the start a set up to get him extradited to the US.
That does seem to sum it up...So far...
Both females are known to have socialised with him after the event quite happily.
One of them even bragged about the time she had spent with him after the event.
One allegation where he was said to have intentionally split a condom is proven a lie a since there is none of his dna on said condom.
Another allegation that he had sex with the other woman while she was asleep is now deeply suspect since the first appears to have lied about the condom being split by him
A UK gov dept threatened to remove the embassies protected status and storm it to take him into custody. A threat that is pretty much unhread of being made all because he is alleged to have commited sexual offences in a foreign country which just looks very suspect.
Long and short it is looking more and more like he has no charges to answer. Sorry if that doesnt fit with your idea of justice but it looks more and more like this is as he has said from the start a set up to get him extradited to the US.
Fatboy said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Long and short it is looking more and more like he has no charges to answer. Sorry if that doesnt fit with your idea of justice but it looks more and more like this is as he has said from the start a set up to get him extradited to the US.
As has been said several times, if it was just about getting him extradited the the US, it would have been easier to do it from the UK rather than fabricate aa story to get him sent to Sweden.TallbutBuxomly said:
Long and short it is looking more and more like he has no charges to answer. Sorry if that doesnt fit with your idea of justice but it looks more and more like this is as he has said from the start a set up to get him extradited to the US.
If he has no case to answer then he needs to go back to Sweden and get himself acquitted. As has been said many times before if the Americans wanted him they wouldn't have to go through this incredibly stupid dance to get him.
WhereamI said:
If he has no case to answer then he needs to go back to Sweden and get himself acquitted.
As has been said many times before if the Americans wanted him they wouldn't have to go through this incredibly stupid dance to get him.
To be fair to the yanks , i image when all this started, they had no idea we would end up where we are.As has been said many times before if the Americans wanted him they wouldn't have to go through this incredibly stupid dance to get him.
Fatboy said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Long and short it is looking more and more like he has no charges to answer. Sorry if that doesnt fit with your idea of justice but it looks more and more like this is as he has said from the start a set up to get him extradited to the US.
As has been said several times, if it was just about getting him extradited the the US, it would have been easier to do it from the UK rather than fabricate aa story to get him sent to Sweden.
eharding said:
Fatboy said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Long and short it is looking more and more like he has no charges to answer. Sorry if that doesnt fit with your idea of justice but it looks more and more like this is as he has said from the start a set up to get him extradited to the US.
As has been said several times, if it was just about getting him extradited the the US, it would have been easier to do it from the UK rather than fabricate aa story to get him sent to Sweden.TallbutBuxomly said:
...So the primary evidence that they have built both cases against him on in is in theory trumped up as there was none of his dna evident.
...Both females are known to have socialised with him after the event quite happily.
...One of them even bragged about the time she had spent with him after the event.
...One allegation where he was said to have intentionally split a condom is proven a lie a since there is none of his dna on said condom.
...Another allegation that he had sex with the other woman while she was asleep is now deeply suspect since the first appears to have lied about the condom being split by him.
Out of interest, did the above information come from irrefutable sources? Has it all been independently verified (independent of the Assange publicity machine)?...Both females are known to have socialised with him after the event quite happily.
...One of them even bragged about the time she had spent with him after the event.
...One allegation where he was said to have intentionally split a condom is proven a lie a since there is none of his dna on said condom.
...Another allegation that he had sex with the other woman while she was asleep is now deeply suspect since the first appears to have lied about the condom being split by him.
Finlandia said:
The legal route yes, but he could just "disappear" after having been cleared by Swedish court, and no one would blame Sweden for anything.
He could have been "disappeared" from anywhere on Earth to date very easily if they wanted to go down that route. Why hasn't this happened? And what has changed to make people think it would now?If the Swedes find him not guilty, do we think he's more or less likely to be "disappeared" from there? If so, why? When was the last time they allowed rendition? And how did that end up? Any particular reason to believe the Swedes would be more likely to allow him to be formally extradited? And as others have said, wouldn't the US have just been better off asking us?
If we're not talking overtly legal routes for the evil Uncle Sam to get hold of him, why choose Sweden from where to extricate him from? I'd suggest to you that Ecuador might prove a much easier place to do this from. And I suspect our hallowed shores would be no harder than Sweden.
If the Swedes find him guilty, would we not be happy that a rapist (in that instance) is not on our shores?
Assange's team seem to be doing a very good job of spinning up the conspiracy theories. But there's little logic to any of it, nor in Assange's behaviour other than him not wanting to face the music.
I thought a fair chunk of the point of wikileaks was to prove that no one was above the law. Except, it seems, its founder.
Halb said:
eharding said:
Fatboy said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Long and short it is looking more and more like he has no charges to answer. Sorry if that doesnt fit with your idea of justice but it looks more and more like this is as he has said from the start a set up to get him extradited to the US.
As has been said several times, if it was just about getting him extradited the the US, it would have been easier to do it from the UK rather than fabricate aa story to get him sent to Sweden.Of course we'd have had Assange in the back of a blacked-out Global Express out of Farnborough bound state-side while he was on bail, if US had only asked nicely. No need to fit him up for rape at all.
eharding said:
We cheerfully extradite autistic kids for running a port-scanner against woefully unsecured US Government systems, for the crime of cack-handedly failing to exploit the results thereof.
Of course we'd have had Assange in the back of a blacked-out Global Express out of Farnborough bound state-side while he was on bail, if US had only asked nicely. No need to fit him up for rape at all.
I looked at the 2003 treaty, it only seems to mention UK citizens?Of course we'd have had Assange in the back of a blacked-out Global Express out of Farnborough bound state-side while he was on bail, if US had only asked nicely. No need to fit him up for rape at all.
I tried to search for the Sweden/US one. Seems if someone is held pending a case there, then the person can be taken to the US to stand, and then returned.
http://internationalextraditionblog.com/2010/12/08...
Halb said:
Looked at the wiki page.
Read the legislation. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/conten...
Explain to me how that is limited to UK citizens?
eharding said:
Read the legislation.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/conten...
Explain to me how that is limited to UK citizens?
You seem to use a question mark, but fail to understand that when I use one, it means the same thing?http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/conten...
Explain to me how that is limited to UK citizens?
I asked a question.
If you can point to a bit in the act where it mentions citizenship, that would help, if not, that's fine too.
edit.
I looked at another wiki page, since I wasn't even sure if the US have charged him with anything, it's just at the debate stage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange#Member...
But if they did charge him with the above Hague says he couldn't be extradited since that charge carries the death penalty.
Maybe is is all talk. I do not know.
Edited by Halb on Sunday 16th September 23:57
Halb said:
eharding said:
Read the legislation.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/conten...
Explain to me how that is limited to UK citizens?
You seem to use a question mark, but fail to understand that when I use one, it means the same thing?http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/conten...
Explain to me how that is limited to UK citizens?
I asked a question.
If you can point to a bit in the act where it mentions citizenship, that would help, if not, that's fine too.
The simple fact is that the Act, like any other, applies to those in territories where UK law applies - it doesn't matter where you came from.
eharding said:
Not just a conspiracy fruit-cake, but a lazy one to boot.
The simple fact is that the Act, like any other, applies to those in territories where UK law applies - it doesn't matter where you came from.
And you're not just an aThe simple fact is that the Act, like any other, applies to those in territories where UK law applies - it doesn't matter where you came from.
hole, but an ignorant assuming one to boot.
Who woulda known.
Halb said:
eharding said:
Not just a conspiracy fruit-cake, but a lazy one to boot.
The simple fact is that the Act, like any other, applies to those in territories where UK law applies - it doesn't matter where you came from.
And you're not just an aThe simple fact is that the Act, like any other, applies to those in territories where UK law applies - it doesn't matter where you came from.
hole, but an ignorant assuming one to boot.Who woulda known.
Halb said:
eharding said:
Sweet. A fruit-cake in full bloom. Must be autumn.
Yes it is Autumn, something you're not ignorant about you .
Go on, knock yourself out.
eharding said:
Lovely - any incisive wit, informed comment, or genuine wisdom you have to share - or would you just like to spray some more old Anglo-Saxon invective over the thread?
Go on, knock yourself out.
Then amend your behaviour. I just treat people as they treat others, if someone of your ilk decides to be ignorant and assume, well then no bad deed deserves to go unpunished. Quit with the oh so witty and incisive ad homs, and then maybe you won't get it turned round on you.Go on, knock yourself out.
I wasn't sharing wisdom before, I was asking questions.
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