Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
Halb said:
eharding said:
Lovely - any incisive wit, informed comment, or genuine wisdom you have to share - or would you just like to spray some more old Anglo-Saxon invective over the thread?
Go on, knock yourself out.
Then amend your behaviour. I just treat people as they treat others, if someone of your ilk decides to be ignorant and assume, well then no bad deed deserves to go unpunished.Go on, knock yourself out.
I wasn't sharing wisdom before, I was asking questions.
..and then refer to the links to the applicable legislation that I have supplied, and hopefully resolve to your misapprehensions regarding the 2003 Extradition Act.
Oh, and finally, feel free to stroll on, sunshine.
eharding said:
Then kindly amend your intemperate and foul-mouthed language.
..and then refer to the links to the applicable legislation that I have supplied, and hopefully resolve to your misapprehensions regarding the 2003 Extradition Act.
Oh, and finally, feel free to stroll on, sunshine.
I shall retract my verbal vitriol forthwith! Consider it seized, reigned in and clasped in fetters!..and then refer to the links to the applicable legislation that I have supplied, and hopefully resolve to your misapprehensions regarding the 2003 Extradition Act.
Oh, and finally, feel free to stroll on, sunshine.
No more shall it dirty this shining beacon of the NPE forum.
Thank you for the authority to sashay away at my leisure.
edit.
I feel like a woman now.
I'll have to go and blow one up.
Edited by Halb on Monday 17th September 00:28
What exposes the lie about all of this is that prior to being accused of rape Assange thought that Sweden was the safest place for him, so much so that several years ago they moved the website to be hosted there and at the time of the accusations he was applying for residency.
Why? Because to be extradited you need to be accused of something that is illegal in the country you are being extradited from and Sweden has some of the more permissive laws in the world concerning freedom of the press and whistle blowing. Sweden only became this lackey of the US likely to extradite him on a whim when the rape accusations were made.
Why? Because to be extradited you need to be accused of something that is illegal in the country you are being extradited from and Sweden has some of the more permissive laws in the world concerning freedom of the press and whistle blowing. Sweden only became this lackey of the US likely to extradite him on a whim when the rape accusations were made.
WhereamI said:
What exposes the lie about all of this is that prior to being accused of rape Assange thought that Sweden was the safest place for him, so much so that several years ago they moved the website to be hosted there and at the time of the accusations he was applying for residency.
Why? Because to be extradited you need to be accused of something that is illegal in the country you are being extradited from and Sweden has some of the more permissive laws in the world concerning freedom of the press and whistle blowing. Sweden only became this lackey of the US likely to extradite him on a whim when the rape accusations were made.
But but but can you not see that this is all some ruse to get him to the US where he can be put in an orange suit and tortured or murdered or something???Why? Because to be extradited you need to be accused of something that is illegal in the country you are being extradited from and Sweden has some of the more permissive laws in the world concerning freedom of the press and whistle blowing. Sweden only became this lackey of the US likely to extradite him on a whim when the rape accusations were made.
Not just some bloke who suspects his chances of being convicted of a crime that would make him look somewhat less than angelic might be slightly higher than he at first assumed.
Go back and face your accusers. If the US try anything underhand (should you be found not guilty) it won't serve them well IMO. Either that or feck of to Quito.
Murph7355 said:
Finlandia said:
The legal route yes, but he could just "disappear" after having been cleared by Swedish court, and no one would blame Sweden for anything.
If the Swedes find him not guilty, do we think he's more or less likely to be "disappeared" from there? If so, why? When was the last time they allowed rendition? And how did that end up? Any particular reason to believe the Swedes would be more likely to allow him to be formally extradited? And as others have said, wouldn't the US have just been better off asking us?A few weeks ago a 15 year old Afghan refugee who has been raped and beaten in Italian migration care, had his case turned down and will now be deported back to the same Italian camp where he was assaulted.
Finland and Denmark have stopped deportations to Italy on grounds of assaults in the camps.
If this can happen in broad daylight in Sweden, then it would be a walk in the park to have Assange sent off too.
Finlandia said:
A few days ago Lufthansa flight LH817 refused to take off from Gothenburg with two Iranian women onboard who where being deported to Iran. The women in question have converted from islam to christianity and face the death penalty according to Iranian laws, still Sweden is trying to deport them back.
A few weeks ago a 15 year old Afghan refugee who has been raped and beaten in Italian migration care, had his case turned down and will now be deported back to the same Italian camp where he was assaulted.
Finland and Denmark have stopped deportations to Italy on grounds of assaults in the camps.
If this can happen in broad daylight in Sweden, then it would be a walk in the park to have Assange sent off too.
Presumably you are quoting these cases in full context?A few weeks ago a 15 year old Afghan refugee who has been raped and beaten in Italian migration care, had his case turned down and will now be deported back to the same Italian camp where he was assaulted.
Finland and Denmark have stopped deportations to Italy on grounds of assaults in the camps.
If this can happen in broad daylight in Sweden, then it would be a walk in the park to have Assange sent off too.
Source?
How does this relate to a hypothetical extradition to the US of someone not even yet wanted by the US? And also were any of these individuals first in the custody of the UK?
Murph7355 said:
Presumably you are quoting these cases in full context?
Source?
How does this relate to a hypothetical extradition to the US of someone not even yet wanted by the US? And also were any of these individuals first in the custody of the UK?
Full context is that no one will be deported to a country where they face torture or death.Source?
How does this relate to a hypothetical extradition to the US of someone not even yet wanted by the US? And also were any of these individuals first in the custody of the UK?
http://www.riksdagen.se/sv/Debatter--beslut/Interp...
Most EU countries have also stopped deportations to Greece, due to inhumane conditions.
http://w2eu.info/dublin2.en/articles/deportationst...
Sweden: A ruling by the Migration Court of Appeal (MCA) stopped all deportations of asylum-seekers from Sweden to Greece beginning of December 2010.
UK: The UK Border Agency suspended returns of asylum seekers to Greece under the Dublin II Regulation in the end of September 2010. All “Greek” cases are handled in UK.
Source, all Swedish news are reporting about these two incidents.
http://www.varldenidag.se/nyhet/2012/09/14/Flygbol...
http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2012/09/14/tv-kvinn...
http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.1055535-migrati...
http://www.dn.se/ledare/signerat/dublinforordninge...
How this relates to Assange, it's no secret that US wants his head on a silver plate, but of course they cannot say that out loud since it would be slightly un-PC and may cause problems of all sorts.
Finlandia said:
How this relates to Assange, it's no secret that US wants his head on a silver plate, but of course they cannot say that out loud since it would be slightly un-PC and may cause problems of all sorts.
It is a huge leap from 'knowing' that to assuming that as soon as he lands in Sweden he will be the subject of an extraordinary rendition, next stop Guantanamo Bay.I find some of the Tinfoilisti posts on here peculiar in the extreme.
Riff Raff said:
Finlandia said:
How this relates to Assange, it's no secret that US wants his head on a silver plate, but of course they cannot say that out loud since it would be slightly un-PC and may cause problems of all sorts.
It is a huge leap from 'knowing' that to assuming that as soon as he lands in Sweden he will be the subject of an extraordinary rendition, next stop Guantanamo Bay.I find some of the Tinfoilisti posts on here peculiar in the extreme.
Finlandia said:
It is a step yes, but the fact is that US wants him and Sweden isn't quite as humanitarian as portrayed.
There is absolutely nothing to confirm that Sweden will kick his area to the US, even IF the US ask them to. Nothing.Assange was happy to be Swedish for the very protections being Swedish would have afforded with respect to his website. Until, that is, he apparently stuck his tallywhacker where he probably shouldn't have.
But don't let that get in the way of rational thought etc.
To be perfectly honest I'm not really sure why anyone's that worried about him. He had a naive view on the freedom of information. Many people seem to share it, it seems (until, no doubt, it impacts them). But he knew it might make his life more difficult in future (if he didn't he's criminally stupid). You'd have thought that would have made him double careful about where he tried to hide Wally?
Anyway, we're just repeating the arguments. Only one way the "truth" will ever be proven, and as the Ecuadorians appear to continue to be happy to feed him for the moment, we aren't about to find out.
Murph7355 said:
There is absolutely nothing to confirm that Sweden will kick his area to the US, even IF the US ask them to. Nothing.
Assange was happy to be Swedish for the very protections being Swedish would have afforded with respect to his website.
A bit like piratebay then, they haven't broken any Swedish laws. Sweden can be a lovely place, but it's not really what it's made out to be, I ought to know as I live here.Assange was happy to be Swedish for the very protections being Swedish would have afforded with respect to his website.
Murph7355 said:
Until, that is, he apparently stuck his tallywhacker where he probably shouldn't have.
You'd have thought that would have made him double careful about where he tried to hide Wally?
Maybe he is like the premiership footballers, a quick nosh and later the girl cries rape and gets headlines and money or whatever is on the agenda?You'd have thought that would have made him double careful about where he tried to hide Wally?
Murph7355 said:
Anyway, we're just repeating the arguments. Only one way the "truth" will ever be proven, and as the Ecuadorians appear to continue to be happy to feed him for the moment, we aren't about to find out.
Agree on that though. Finlandia] said:
A bit like piratebay then, they haven't broken any Swedish laws. Sweden can be a lovely place, but it's not really what it's made out to be, I ought to know as I live here.
Assange *himself* wanted to be a citizen of Sweden, one presumes under advice.That only appears to have changed on these charges being pressed home. Though maybe the piratebay stuff was an influencing factor too, who knows.
Finlandia] said:
Maybe he is like the premiership footballers, a quick nosh and later the girl cries rape and gets headlines and money or whatever is on the agenda?
I have no sympathy for anyone getting trapped that way. Especially not Premiership footballers.You are a target, you know it, be careful where you put your old fella or risk having to suffer the consequences.
Murph7355 said:
Finlandia said:
A bit like piratebay then, they haven't broken any Swedish laws. Sweden can be a lovely place, but it's not really what it's made out to be, I ought to know as I live here.
Assange *himself* wanted to be a citizen of Sweden, one presumes under advice.That only appears to have changed on these charges being pressed home. Though maybe the piratebay stuff was an influencing factor too, who knows.
Murph7355 said:
You are a target, you know it, be careful where you put your old fella or risk having to suffer the consequences.
Easy to say, much harder to live by though, he even used a condom, give the man some credit. Finlandia said:
It was American interests that resulted in the piratebay trials as well, same fate would have awaited wikileaks sooner or later.
Piratebay didn't involve anyone being extradited to America, they were tried and found guilty under Swedish law. So unless there is a suggestion that Assange is going to be charged with something concerning Wikileaks under Swedish law there are no real parallels between the two.WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
It was American interests that resulted in the piratebay trials as well, same fate would have awaited wikileaks sooner or later.
Piratebay didn't involve anyone being extradited to America, they were tried and found guilty under Swedish law. So unless there is a suggestion that Assange is going to be charged with something concerning Wikileaks under Swedish law there are no real parallels between the two.Finlandia said:
The law that was changed due to US pressure. They haven't been extradited, Hollywood probably can't reach that high up, but are being shut down and facing gazillions in fines. Who can say the law wouldn't be changed again, after all the forces against wikileaks are far stronger than the ones against piratebay.
Don't be so sure, don't you know ze Jews control Hollywood?Finlandia said:
Murph7355 said:
Finlandia said:
A bit like piratebay then, they haven't broken any Swedish laws. Sweden can be a lovely place, but it's not really what it's made out to be, I ought to know as I live here.
Assange *himself* wanted to be a citizen of Sweden, one presumes under advice.That only appears to have changed on these charges being pressed home. Though maybe the piratebay stuff was an influencing factor too, who knows.
Murph7355 said:
You are a target, you know it, be careful where you put your old fella or risk having to suffer the consequences.
Easy to say, much harder to live by though, he even used a condom, give the man some credit. I love the naievity of those who are coming here and mocking those of us who don't believe this is all as simple as portrayed by the govt of uk and sweden.
As I have already pointed out there are plenty of reasons for him to be concerned if the facts are true about the condom having none of his dna as thats what they are building both cases against him on.
It is easier to remove him from sweden IMHO (on the face of it) than the uk since in the UK he has many many rights of appeal etc on top of which the govt is quite concerned about bad press after all the neg publicity about the autistic chap etc and no doubt also about what info he and wikileaks have which would be released should they extradite him.
Sweden are much more Americas lap dog than the UK as I understand it.
As I have already pointed out there are plenty of reasons for him to be concerned if the facts are true about the condom having none of his dna as thats what they are building both cases against him on.
It is easier to remove him from sweden IMHO (on the face of it) than the uk since in the UK he has many many rights of appeal etc on top of which the govt is quite concerned about bad press after all the neg publicity about the autistic chap etc and no doubt also about what info he and wikileaks have which would be released should they extradite him.
Sweden are much more Americas lap dog than the UK as I understand it.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Apparently not since none of his DNA was found on it. Which raises another question which is how do they know this unless he gave dna samples to the swedish? Which in turn means he was assisting them with their investigation if that is the case.
Maybe they have identified the source of all the DNA they did find....Or maybe the story is nonsense in the first place, this is a story that the Assange camp has released - although even then it isn't attributed to anyone in particular, there is absolutely no way of knowing whether it is true or just misinformation.
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