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Adrian W
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8,117 posts
97 months
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Chrisw666
20,866 posts
68 months
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They might be clever but they work in the public sector, the thing is I'd rather have well paid and well trained doctors than train or tanker drivers as any grunt can be brought up to speed on those simple tasks.
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rohrl
3,725 posts
14 months
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Call their bluff. They're already very well paid.
Where are they going to work if not the NHS? There isn't enough private work for all of them.
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Nimbus
1,120 posts
97 months
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Adrian W said: Havent you realised yet, everybody thinks they are a special case...
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XCP
10,479 posts
97 months
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The pot isn't empty though is it?
We still have money to waste on foreign military adventures, and goodness knows how much unnecessary spending at home.
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Countdown
6,339 posts
65 months
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The BMA is by far the strongest union in the country. No PM has EVER taken them on and won.
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Adrian W
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97 months
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Countdown said: The BMA is by far the strongest union in the country. No PM has EVER taken them on and won. I hope now is the time then
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Eric Mc
67,256 posts
134 months
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I wonder how much public sympathy they have?
It seems the only people who feel it is OK to strike are those who are paid directly or indirectly from the public purse.
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XCP
10,479 posts
97 months
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Eric Mc said: I wonder how much public sympathy they have?
It seems the only people who feel it is OK to strike are those who are paid directly or indirectly from the public purse. Probably because they have the most intransigent employers.
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el stovey
13,468 posts
132 months
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Eric Mc said: I wonder how much public sympathy they have?
It seems the only people who feel it is OK to strike are those who are paid directly or indirectly from the public purse. BA cabin crew did OK out of it in the end. The trouble is most private sector employees aren't attached to a union and negotiate their own terms of employment with the employer. As a result they are less well protected but are able to transfer their skills more easily to different employers to improve their lot.
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Eric Mc
67,256 posts
134 months
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XCP said: Eric Mc said: I wonder how much public sympathy they have?
It seems the only people who feel it is OK to strike are those who are paid directly or indirectly from the public purse. Probably because they have the most intransigent employers. Really?
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XCP
10,479 posts
97 months
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Eric Mc said: Really? Really what?
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Eric Mc
67,256 posts
134 months
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XCP said: Eric Mc said: Really? Really what? The assertion that those employed in the public sector have more intransigent management. I would say the opposite.
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XCP
10,479 posts
97 months
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Eric Mc said: The assertion that those employed in the public sector have more intransigent management.
I would say the opposite. I am not talking about management. I am talking about employers. In the public sector these are not one and the same. Politicians hold the purse strings, and dictate terms and conditions, not managers.
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Sevo
175 posts
60 months
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rohrl said: Call their bluff. They're already very well paid.
Where are they going to work if not the NHS? There isn't enough private work for all of them. There would be no NHS if we got pushed out, we are amongst the best trained doctors in the world, we aren't easy to replace. I've heard rumours plans to form chambers and contract back to the NHS are in place, then you'd see what a free market prices medical labour at (see America for reference). Eric Mc said: I wonder how much public sympathy they have? I'm not sure we really care any more. We've had real term pay cuts for five years in a row, now they want to make us contribute twice as much to our pension as civil servants do whilst simultaneously destroying working conditions, training and the ability to do our job properly. A good pension is one of the only decent financial paybacks we have.
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smartypants
17,358 posts
38 months
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Who paid for your education?
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XCP
10,479 posts
97 months
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smartypants said: Who paid for your education? The council. Yours?
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Marf
22,907 posts
110 months
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smartypants said: Who paid for your education? If his education was state funded, what difference does that make? Is it a case of you got trained for free so shut the f-ck up and suck it up?
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Wacky Racer
20,279 posts
116 months
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Chrisw666 said: They might be clever but they work in the public sector, the thing is I'd rather have well paid and well trained doctors than train or tanker drivers as any grunt can be brought up to speed on those simple tasks. Do you realise how much training is needed to qualify to drive a train with 600 people on board at 125mph?, a bit more than a few hours in the classroom... 
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Sevo
175 posts
60 months
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smartypants said: Who paid for your education? I presume that was to me. The state started paying something towards my education at the age of 18, not before. I have since paid back more in taxes than it cost to train me. You do not want to make medicine an unattractive career. Smart people will choose to do other things, I think most would agree you want competent doctors looking after you.
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