Pilots flying after 22 hours straight awake due to EU regs

[oyster]

el stovey said:

oyster said:

pushthebutton said:

oyster said:

Meanwhile back in the real world we're all being asked to do more for less. Pilots cry when they're asked to do more for more.

Maybe they should get Bob Crow to represent them - the argument sounds similar. And just as many exaggerated claims.

I don't post in too many topics on PH unless I think I have something useful to add. I do, however, read a lot because there's some really good info from people with a wide variety of backgrounds. I'm always a bit amazed when people are willing to post opinions both 'vocally' and with a degree of antagonism on subjects they have clearly made little attempt to understand.

Therein lies the difference between you and I

Edited by pushthebutton on Wednesday 30th May 19:06

If this was pprune, I'd accept that to some degree. But since this isn't a specialist forum, I don't think the subject should be restricted to only those 'in the know'. Incidentally that's a very arrogant approach to take.

In any case I do have a background career in flying, so you are acting presumtuously as well as arrogantly.

No it's you who come across as arrogant. You start your post with the statement "In the real world" as though pilots are somehow removed from it. You then state that new regulations (that you don't understand) will leave us better off and link us to Bob Crowe and finally accuse someone of making exaggerated claims.

How on earth do you think that's supposed to sound?

It's an opinion. A valid one too.

The airlines have far too much to lose to put safety at risk with any proposals. Ultimately, business viability will dictate safety levels far more than regulatory diktat.

If an airline thinks these rules are unsafe then they won't adopt them. If they think these rules are unsafe and still adopt them, then they'll go under if an accident were to occur.

[anonymous-user]

oyster said:

It's an opinion. A valid one too.

The airlines have far too much to lose to put safety at risk with any proposals. Ultimately, business viability will dictate safety levels far more than regulatory diktat.

If an airline thinks these rules are unsafe then they won't adopt them. If they think these rules are unsafe and still adopt them, then they'll go under if an accident were to occur.

I'm afraid you're wrong again.

Airlines are cut throat businesses surviving on tiny margins. They will absolutely happily follow the least limiting regulations that allow their crews to legally work to the maximum possible. If they follow these regulations and have an accident they haven't done anything wrong at all.

People are already telling you fatigue is an issue amongst pilots now. It will only get worse if they are made to fly longer shifts.

[WhoseGeneration]

Pilots could well be described as shift workers. A casual google search will bring up much research into the negative effects of such a work pattern.