Gipsy family made £2m and dodged £500,000 tax

Gipsy family made £2m and dodged £500,000 tax

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Halb

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53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9306457/Gip...

I wonder if they're concerned about the price of hot pasties now?

Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

223 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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How much tax was it Vodafone dodged, was it £6 billion?

Puggit

48,494 posts

249 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Fort Jefferson said:
How much tax was it Vodafone dodged, was it £6 billion?
Legally

Derek Smith

45,754 posts

249 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Fort Jefferson said:
How much tax was it Vodafone dodged, was it £6 billion?
When gypsies dodge tax = bad. Very bad.

Vodaphone, or other big company, 'negotiates' with IR and the government and doesn't pay taxes = good. Very good. In fact avoiding all this tax liability, although at great cost given they had to chat with Cameron (perhaps even Christmas dinner?) brings £millions into the country. It's been said often enough on these pages.

You must keep up.

CT63

633 posts

157 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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I'm in the wrong game, didn't realise block paving payed so well!

muffinmenace

1,034 posts

189 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Derek Smith said:
When gypsies dodge tax = bad. Very bad.

Vodaphone, or other big company, 'negotiates' with IR and the government and doesn't pay taxes = good. Very good. In fact avoiding all this tax liability, although at great cost given they had to chat with Cameron (perhaps even Christmas dinner?) brings £millions into the country. It's been said often enough on these pages.

You must keep up.
I think we should treat the Gipsy's the same as Vodafone, if the Gipsy's threaten to leave the UK for a Tax Haven then it will be a great loss to the treasury and society as a whole hehe

Smiler.

11,752 posts

231 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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I read the article in the Telegraph. Then in Judith Wood's column, a tale that made me chuckle.

The 'right-on' brigade in Hackney council have designated June as Gypsy Roma Traveller month.

On cue, a bunch of the meat & pastry lock openers have pitched up on the local common in their caravans. The kids of the local residents play 'spot the willy' of the caravans male inhabitants taking a piss up a nearby tree.

Hackney council have 'reluctantly' applied for an eviction order, which will take up to 28 days to effect.

Nelson Muntz.

Halb

Original Poster:

53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Of course you know, the worst offenders are DAYL mobile phone conglomerate businesses.

Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

177 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Derek Smith said:
Fort Jefferson said:
How much tax was it Vodafone dodged, was it £6 billion?
When gypsies dodge tax = bad. Very bad.

Vodaphone, or other big company, 'negotiates' with IR and the government and doesn't pay taxes = good. Very good. In fact avoiding all this tax liability, although at great cost given they had to chat with Cameron (perhaps even Christmas dinner?) brings £millions into the country. It's been said often enough on these pages.

You must keep up.
Or maybe both bad, very bad?

Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

177 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Smiler. said:
I read the article in the Telegraph. Then in Judith Wood's column, a tale that made me chuckle.

The 'right-on' brigade in Hackney council have designated June as Gypsy Roma Traveller month.

On cue, a bunch of the meat & pastry lock openers have pitched up on the local common in their caravans. The kids of the local residents play 'spot the willy' of the caravans male inhabitants taking a piss up a nearby tree.

Hackney council have 'reluctantly' applied for an eviction order, which will take up to 28 days to effect.

Nelson Muntz.
Sitting there in meetings thinking up their oh so necessary plans on all sorts from Roma week to 'persuade your child to cycle to school through rain, hail and juggernaut to save some carbons' whilst working out which new revolutionary they should rename streets for.

Paid for by the local tax payers no doubt, to 'represent' and work for them...

"I don't believe it!"ranting

Halb

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53,012 posts

184 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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That is most amusing.
Perhaps explains it?biggrin
http://mginternet.hackney.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.asp...

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

205 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Judge Ticehurst said: “It is individuals like you who give the travelling community a bad name. Criminal conduct like yours brings your community into disrepute and reinforces prejudices.



Can't say i disagree


No sane person objects to folk living in caravans and travelling

We object to the lawlessness

nelly1

5,630 posts

232 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Halb said:
That is most amusing.
Perhaps explains it?biggrin
http://mginternet.hackney.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.asp...
Susan What-Thomas?!?

Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

177 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Halb said:
That is most amusing.
Perhaps explains it?biggrin
http://mginternet.hackney.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.asp...
What's the collective noun for a group of Labour councillors?

I offer, " a ruination"

or, a "futility"

or just plain, ordinary "fkwits".

Derek Smith

45,754 posts

249 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Lost_BMW said:
What's the collective noun for a group of Labour councillors?

I offer, " a ruination"

or, a "futility"

or just plain, ordinary "fkwits".
You should read Private Eye's Rotten Boroughs pages. You'll soon learn to leave out labour in such condemnation. Corruption goes on regardless of political affiliations.

Keep sharp impliments safely locked away.

skinley

1,681 posts

161 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Lost_BMW said:
What's the collective noun for a group of Labour councillors?

I offer, " a ruination"

or, a "futility"

or just plain, ordinary "fkwits".
Abomination.

From wikipedia, "Abomination is anything provoking a feeling of extreme disgust, revulsion, abhorrence, detestation and/or loathing."

JagLover

42,490 posts

236 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Fort Jefferson said:
How much tax was it Vodafone dodged, was it £6 billion?
And of course UK uncut and their mouthpieces in the media are expert tax lawyers able to exactly determine how much tax each multinational should pay in each country.

Rather than say being populists who regard something as basic as being able to offset brought forward losses against current year profits as a case of tax evasion.

Whether or not £6bn was owed or not, and on what basis that number was calculated, will never likely be known and given that it related to the aquisition of Mannesmann it is not easily calculated.

It is claimed that internally Vodafone had set aside £2.2 bn to settle the case so the eventual settlement was £1bn less than this.

But that is £1bn not £6bn.

The underlying story behind many of these cases is that tax is only being 'dodged' if you treat HM R&C word as gospel, but it isn't. They are often far more aggresive than the legislation allows, an example of which, which affects far smaller businesses than Vodafone, is their attempt to target income splitting between husband and wife in family owned businesses.

turbobloke

104,074 posts

261 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Some people still seem to have difficulty distinguishing between tax avoidance and tax evasion - the former is lawful, everybody who accepts income tax allowances is doing it, and the numbers make no difference.

What does make a difference is the £billions in tax that the country gets from corporates.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

244 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Just glad this case had no stereotypical cliques that dog the fine travelling people of the UK.

FourWheelDrift

88,574 posts

285 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Daily Telegraph pretending to be the Guardian said:
A girpsy family
Girpsy? Is that a new way to get around the use of accurate descriptive names for these people also known as non-traveling travelers?