Gipsy family made £2m and dodged £500,000 tax

[fridaypassion]

Two years suspended prison stretch and no mention of any asset grab by the revenue? Remind me why we pay tax again? Is that punishment any real deterrent?

[Driller]

s3fella said:

Driller said:

The Daily Mail said:

Their main home, a £600,000 farmhouse on the outskirts of Cardiff, was protected by electronic gates and CCTV cameras

So what?

Not really travellers, are they?

Well no but the "£600,000 farmhouse" itself is enough to deduce that,don't see what the gates and CCTV adds to the argument.

[Halb]

Driller said:

Well no but the "£600,000 farmhouse" itself is enough to deduce that,don't see what the gates and CCTV adds to the argument.

It's to keep out them pesky DAYLs!

[johnfm]

martin84 said:

johnfm said:

We 'need' hundreds of billions (thanks Gordon).

Doesn't give the government a right to tax that isn't due to them.

Well it obviously was due or Vodafone wouldn't need their army of suits to help them bypass it.

What you call 'an army of suits to bypass it' is actually people train to understand the (overly complicated) tax code.

They aren't bypassing anything. There are specific rules regarding how to calculate tax. People take the time and effort to read them and then organise their affairs accordingly. It is called 'paying taxes according to the government's rules.'

You sound monumentally weighed down by huge chips on each shoulder.

[Sticks.]

johnfm said:

martin84 said:

johnfm said:

We 'need' hundreds of billions (thanks Gordon).

Doesn't give the government a right to tax that isn't due to them.

Well it obviously was due or Vodafone wouldn't need their army of suits to help them bypass it.

What you call 'an army of suits to bypass it' is actually people train to understand the (overly complicated) tax code.

They aren't bypassing anything. There are specific rules regarding how to calculate tax. People take the time and effort to read them and then organise their affairs accordingly. It is called 'paying taxes according to the government's rules.'

You sound monumentally weighed down by huge chips on each shoulder.

Another perspective

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-...

[turbobloke]

Sticks. said:

johnfm said:

martin84 said:

johnfm said:

We 'need' hundreds of billions (thanks Gordon).

Doesn't give the government a right to tax that isn't due to them.

Well it obviously was due or Vodafone wouldn't need their army of suits to help them bypass it.

What you call 'an army of suits to bypass it' is actually people train to understand the (overly complicated) tax code.

They aren't bypassing anything. There are specific rules regarding how to calculate tax. People take the time and effort to read them and then organise their affairs accordingly. It is called 'paying taxes according to the government's rules.'

You sound monumentally weighed down by huge chips on each shoulder.

Another perspective

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-...

With respect it's not that different. Some MPs take the same line as martin84, that tax which HMRC didn't ask for should have been paid. This is bizarre. Calculate the impact of the 20% tax threshold on 30m workers 'not paying enough tax' on the first 8k of earnings, yet nobody on here complains about taking advantage of this collective ~£50bn tax avoidance scheme. Fair is only fair if the context involves less financially successful people or less profitable businesses.

[Sticks.]

turbobloke said:

With respect it's not that different. Some MPs take the same line as martin84, that tax which HMRC didn't ask for should have been paid. This is bizarre. Calculate the impact of the 20% tax threshold on 30m workers 'not paying enough tax' on the first 8k of earnings, yet nobody on here complains about taking advantage of this collective ~£50bn tax avoidance scheme. Fair is only fair if the context involves less financially successful people or less profitable businesses.

Can I quote you on that when I do my tax return?

[turbobloke]

[Morningside]

Someone told me that a Gipsy he know buys a lorry full of tarmac each day and ALWAYS sells out by the end and can make £5000+ a DAY!

Maybe they should save all the tax/vat and return to Ireland to help bale them out?

[princealbert23]

audidoody said:

I'd just like to say I will use every legal trick and twist in the book to avoid paying a penny more tax than I absolutely have to. and to every hand-wringing liberal nut-job who wails "won't someone think of the children/hpspitals/teachers/nurses etc" I'll point out "it's OK. My share was going to be used to bomb Syria and pay for Warsi's rent".

Good

[fluffnik]

Driller said:

(OT)And then we wonder why there are so very few studies on the effects of EMR on humans/animals...(/OT)

There are lots.

Most EMR has nothing to do with mobile phones, the massive majority of phone related EMR impinging on you will be coming from your own handset.

The rates of autism are identical in MMR vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts.

The mode of collapse of the WTC towers is unremarkable.

edited to deal with misformatting of quoted square brackets

Edited by fluffnik on Tuesday 5th June 22:34

[Rovinghawk]

martin84 said:

I dont go out of my way to avoid tax.

I do; if I didn't then I'd be a fool.

martin84 said:

If you have to go out of your way to avoid tax then its tax you were meant to pay. End of.

Unless it's a legitimate business expense as listed by HMRC in their documentation which I went out of my way to read, understand & apply.

(End of, btw.)

RH

[Rovinghawk]

fridaypassion said:

Two years suspended prison stretch and no mention of any asset grab by the revenue? Remind me why we pay tax again? Is that punishment any real deterrent?

Read the bit where the judge ordered the half million confiscation from the bank accounts of two of them & more from the others involved by another process.

RH

[Driller]

fluffnik said:

Driller said:

(OT)And then we wonder why there are so very few studies on the effects of EMR on humans/animals...(/OT)

There are lots.

Most EMR has nothing to do with mobile phones, the massive majority of phone related EMR impinging on you will be coming from your own handset.

The rates of autism are identical in MMR vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts.

The mode of collapse of the WTC towers is unremarkable.

edited to deal with misformatting of quoted square brackets

Edited by fluffnik on Tuesday 5th June 22:34

I'll see your MMR comment and raise you a 'fabricated Asian bird flu panic used to sell a stload of Tamiflu".

If you have a list of the huge number studies done on the effects of transmission tower (you know, the ones that were flogged for £22Billion?) EMR on humans/animals I wouold love to see it. Or if that is too specific any studies on transmitted EMR effect on humans.

(EMR from mobiles is not a factor for me as I rarely use them for voice calls-gives me a headache after about 60s of use.)

[fluffnik]

Driller said:

If you have a list of the huge number studies done on the effects of transmission tower (you know, the ones that were flogged for £22Billion?) EMR on humans/animals I wouold love to see it. Or if that is too specific any studies on transmitted EMR effect on humans.

EMR is EMR, what matters is the signal strength which, thanks to the inverse square law drops away rapidly as you move away from the mast. Strangely, you don't see the same people protesting against the much stronger daytime TV signals...

Driller said:

(EMR from mobiles is not a factor for me as I rarely use them for voice calls-gives me a headache after about 60s of use.)

Interestingly enough the only correlation between heavy cellphone use and brain cancer that I'm aware of occurred in rural Scandinavia where the lack of signal strength requires the handsets to transmit on high power...

[Halb]

Driller said:

(EMR from mobiles is not a factor for me as I rarely use them for voice calls-gives me a headache after about 60s of use.)

Use of a mobile also gives my brother a headache. He uses them as a Dictaphone now, on speaker.
Myself I am wary of them after seeing/reading various things. If I have to use one I hold it at least an inch from my ear.

[BJG1]

Must have missed the rule that said you can't dislike gypsies and phone companies for dodging tax.

[Funk]

Like the drink, only not spelled the same.

[Murph7355]

BJG1 said:

...for dodging tax.

One did so legally, the other didn't.

Dislike phone companies for many things, but surely disliking them for complying with the law is a bit unwarranted?

[johnfm]

Sticks. said:

Another perspective

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-...

What perspective?

Some MPs are unhappy that the rules that they set have been used to calculate a tax liability - and they don't like the result.

If the tax rules are being interpreted to reduce tax, the rules need improving. No use complaining about companies or people who read the rules and pay tax according to them.