Drone on.....

[just me]

Jimbeaux said:

Nice not-so-subtle suggestion you aired out on a forum there slick. Unwelcome visits should not surprise you.

This is not a new or original idea. People have already been arrested engaging in exactly these pursuits...so I don't think it's a big deal to post it. It's not especially creative at this point either--the technology is very readily available at any hobby shop. Besides, my tone is one of someone that doesn't want it to happen, not someone who is encouraging it.

Are you really that paranoid? I will let you know when they are done waterboarding me.

[Jimbeaux]

just me said:

Jimbeaux said:

Nice not-so-subtle suggestion you aired out on a forum there slick. Unwelcome visits should not surprise you.

This is not a new or original idea. People have already been arrested engaging in exactly these pursuits...so I don't think it's a big deal to post it. It's not especially creative at this point either--the technology is very readily available at any hobby shop. Besides, my tone is one of someone that doesn't want it to happen, not someone who is encouraging it.

Are you really that paranoid? I will let you know when they are done waterboarding me.

Me paranoid? No, far from it. I am just citing the reality of the times and making a suggestion. Feel free to carry on.

[just me]

Jimbeaux said:

So says the "Bureau of Investigative Journalism"? WTF is that? What about the space aliens who are just there to observe and get caught up in the attacks, who is looking out for their interests?? Huh?

I would think the number is actually higher, and this is just the number that can be identified/documented.

Are you saying that the number is lower? A couple here, a couple there, and after a few years it really adds up.

[just me]

Jimbeaux said:

just me said:

Jimbeaux said:

Nice not-so-subtle suggestion you aired out on a forum there slick. Unwelcome visits should not surprise you.

This is not a new or original idea. People have already been arrested engaging in exactly these pursuits...so I don't think it's a big deal to post it. It's not especially creative at this point either--the technology is very readily available at any hobby shop. Besides, my tone is one of someone that doesn't want it to happen, not someone who is encouraging it.

Are you really that paranoid? I will let you know when they are done waterboarding me.

Me paranoid? No, far from it. I am just citing the reality of the times and making a suggestion. Feel free to carry on.

It's not bad advice.:cheers: Perhaps I am naive to believe in freedom of speech and common sense. Too late now...somewhere deep in the bowels of Langley, some analyst is clicking on a link to my post.

Fame at last.

[Jimbeaux]

just me said:

Jimbeaux said:

So says the "Bureau of Investigative Journalism"? WTF is that? What about the space aliens who are just there to observe and get caught up in the attacks, who is looking out for their interests?? Huh?

I would think the number is actually higher, and this is just the number that can be identified/documented.

Are you saying that the number is lower? A couple here, a couple there, and after a few years it really adds up.

I am saying neither; I am saying nobody knows. No different than that "The West as killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians" crap. Speculation is futile.

[just me]

The number may be crap, but there is truth to the statement. Surely you agree with that. And the corollary to that truth is that some people are deeply angry about the children's deaths.

Same with the Iraqi stat. The actual number may be less by a factor of ten, but it's still far too high. And somewhere out there, an Iraqi is growing up nursing a deep hatred for the US because of what he has experienced.

[Jimbeaux]

just me said:

Jimbeaux said:

just me said:

Jimbeaux said:

Nice not-so-subtle suggestion you aired out on a forum there slick. Unwelcome visits should not surprise you.

This is not a new or original idea. People have already been arrested engaging in exactly these pursuits...so I don't think it's a big deal to post it. It's not especially creative at this point either--the technology is very readily available at any hobby shop. Besides, my tone is one of someone that doesn't want it to happen, not someone who is encouraging it.

Are you really that paranoid? I will let you know when they are done waterboarding me.

Me paranoid? No, far from it. I am just citing the reality of the times and making a suggestion. Feel free to carry on.

It's not bad advice.:cheers: Perhaps I am naive to believe in freedom of speech and common sense. Too late now...somewhere deep in the bowels of Langley, some analyst is clicking on a link to my post.

Fame at last.

Me thinks you will live to offend another day.

[Jimbeaux]

just me said:

The number may be crap, but there is truth to the statement. Surely you agree with that. And the corollary to that truth is that some people are deeply angry about the children's deaths.

Same with the Iraqi stat. The actual number may be less by a factor of ten, but it's still far too high. And somewhere out there, an Iraqi is growing up nursing a deep hatred for the US because of what he has experienced.

What about the Germans who grew up in war time Dresden, did they strap on a backpack bomb and head this way?

[just me]

Obviously, I don't have any experience with the German attitudes after the war. All we know is, no Germans strapped on a bomb and hopped on a boat. But then, they didn't subscribe to an ideology that glorified death. There are too many other dissimilarities as well, to really draw a valid parallel, in my opinion.

I have spoken to a lot of Iraqis, most are pacifist, if anything, and just want to get on with their lives. There were a few, however...

Edited by just me on Tuesday 5th June 05:22

[Derek Smith]

Jimbeaux said:

What about the Germans who grew up in war time Dresden, did they strap on a backpack bomb and head this way?

How about the people who lost friends and relatives in the bombing of Coventry and Portsmouth? Did they go on to bomb Germany?

[ecain63]

All you guys who feel so strongly about this subject and the war in general, why not get yourself out there and do something about it! Go for it if you know better!

[anonymous-user]

BruceV8 said:

Fittster said:

As many as 168 children have been killed in drone strikes in Pakistan during the past seven years

Yeah, let's kill those children!!

No one can rejoice in thise stats - except, perhaps, the Taleban. But what else do you propose should be done?

Pull out completely and leave Afghanistan to the Afghans stop meddling in other middle eastern countries and their issues.

Then people might not feel the need to attack us.

[jbi]

el stovey said:

Pull out completely and leave Afghanistan to the Afghans stop meddling in other middle eastern countries and their issues.

Then people might not feel the need to attack us.

9/11

[ecain63]

el stovey said:

BruceV8 said:

Fittster said:

As many as 168 children have been killed in drone strikes in Pakistan during the past seven years

Yeah, let's kill those children!!

No one can rejoice in thise stats - except, perhaps, the Taleban. But what else do you propose should be done?

Pull out completely and leave Afghanistan to the Afghans stop meddling in other middle eastern countries and their issues.

Then people might not feel the need to attack us.

I reckon you could multiply that number by at least 10 if you wanted to know how many children have been killed by Taliban and IF activity in the same time period.

It's an ugly war, no denying it. But when you've actually seen what the enemy are capable of, even without the wests intervention and against thier own people your opinion changes 100%.

[ecain63]

jbi said:

el stovey said:

Pull out completely and leave Afghanistan to the Afghans stop meddling in other middle eastern countries and their issues.

Then people might not feel the need to attack us.

9/11

We've been there since way before that.

Edited by ecain63 on Tuesday 5th June 08:04

[stitched]

Was that meant as a joke?
If not than can you please explain how deposing aq's most effective enemy in the middle east was meant to help?

[ecain63]

^^^was that for me? If so could you explain the question.

[anonymous-user]

Drones have successfully reduced the direct risk to U.S military soldiers by removing their presence from the ops to take out militants BUT they have drawn innocents into the conflict as a result.Now we are viewing non-combatants who were in the wrong place at the wrong time as colatteral then I feel we are behaving no better than the enemy and have lost the war. Not wishing this on anyone but what would happen if someone took out a drone operator and their family in a similar remote controlled way? Would that be terrorism or an attack on an enemy combatant?

[anonymous-user]

jbi said:

el stovey said:

Pull out completely and leave Afghanistan to the Afghans stop meddling in other middle eastern countries and their issues.

Then people might not feel the need to attack us.

9/11

Why do you think some people in the middle east want to attack the US and their allies? They didn't just wake up and decide to attack someone it was caused by disastrous US foreign policy in the 80's and 90s. I'm not saying it was right just what the justification was.

[anonymous-user]

ecain63 said:

el stovey said:

BruceV8 said:

Fittster said:

As many as 168 children have been killed in drone strikes in Pakistan during the past seven years

Yeah, let's kill those children!!

No one can rejoice in thise stats - except, perhaps, the Taleban. But what else do you propose should be done?

Pull out completely and leave Afghanistan to the Afghans stop meddling in other middle eastern countries and their issues.

Then people might not feel the need to attack us.

I reckon you could multiply that number by at least 10 if you wanted to know how many children have been killed by Taliban and IF activity in the same time period.

It's an ugly war, no denying it. But when you've actually seen what the enemy are capable of, even without the wests intervention and against thier own people your opinion changes 100%.

You can't just turn up in a Tribal country like Afghanistan and create a nation and democracy. The Taliban ruled with harsh religious laws but people lived in relative peace and had virtually no crime. Are we to invade every country where we don't agree with how those in charge rule? Leave it to the Afghans if they're not happy they can do something about whoever is in charge, as they have for thousands of years without us meddling.

The Afghans don't want us in their country, they don't see us as liberators just another occupying force to repel, like The British and the Russians before.They won then and they're going to win again here.