The name that cannot be mentioned....
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Enoch Powell 
An interesting read: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9329245/B...
Makes you wonder if much of the hoohar was stirred up due to his anti 'EU' stance? Certainly he believed in many things that have since been proven solidly correct but were contrary to the objectives of Govt at that time.
An interesting read: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9329245/B...
Makes you wonder if much of the hoohar was stirred up due to his anti 'EU' stance? Certainly he believed in many things that have since been proven solidly correct but were contrary to the objectives of Govt at that time.
I can mention him. I think he was a fantastically intelligent and insightful politician with principles. He got his language very wrong on immigration, and it cost him dearly, but he would rather stick to his guns than go running around pretending to like rap music and apologising for slavery to show how unracist he is, like most politicians would do.
Einion Yrth said:
AJS- said:
socialist<...> He was a little s
t who wanted to destroy things and tax things to death.
That would be a tautology sir.t who wanted to destroy things and tax things to death.Socialism is never, ever nice or good, and is well intentioned only be fools.
"As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood."
Powell made that speech in the certain knowledge that it would enrage Heath who promptly fired him. He later stabbed his own party in the back and abandoned his constituents a few days before a general election before later joining the Ulster Unionists.
He was unquestionably brilliant and also unquestionably flawed. Alan Clark referred to him as "The Prophet" and adored him. But AC also considered joining the National Front...
Powell made that speech in the certain knowledge that it would enrage Heath who promptly fired him. He later stabbed his own party in the back and abandoned his constituents a few days before a general election before later joining the Ulster Unionists.
He was unquestionably brilliant and also unquestionably flawed. Alan Clark referred to him as "The Prophet" and adored him. But AC also considered joining the National Front...
unrepentant said:
But AC also considered joining the National Front...
In all fairness, I think it was free with the purchase of a Bentley back in those days. 
Re EP's RoB speech I think it is also fair to add the caveat 'yet' when we say this hasn't come to happen.
Most bloody civil disputes require a greater % than 3-5 of the general population to be triggered and I'm not convinced we are not still at risk as the percentages grow.
AJS- said:
I can mention him. I think he was a fantastically intelligent and insightful politician with principles. He got his language very wrong on immigration, and it cost him dearly, but he would rather stick to his guns than go running around pretending to like rap music and apologising for slavery to show how unracist he is, like most politicians would do.
But he managed to achieve the opposite by making the subject Taboo. It was a spiteful way of getting back at Heath. He didn't fit in with the team, so he tried to undermine it instead. That's not principles - it's selfish political posturing. I think the comparison with Brown ridiculous promise of 'British jobs for British workers' is quite apt."If Enoch Powell were tried for undermining Ted Heath, any Tory jury would acquit him and award him his costs. But Tories ought to remember that as late as 1979, Enoch advised the electorate to vote for the Callaghan government and against Margaret Thatcher"
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/...
unrepentant said:
"As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood."
Powell made that speech in the certain knowledge that it would enrage Heath who promptly fired him. He later stabbed his own party in the back and abandoned his constituents a few days before a general election before later joining the Ulster Unionists.
He was unquestionably brilliant and also unquestionably flawed. Alan Clark referred to him as "The Prophet" and adored him. But AC also considered joining the National Front...
He was also the man who was the brains behind the drive to bring immigrants into Britain. He visited the W. Indies in the 50s to help recruit workers to come to Britain to staff the NHS and London Transport.Powell made that speech in the certain knowledge that it would enrage Heath who promptly fired him. He later stabbed his own party in the back and abandoned his constituents a few days before a general election before later joining the Ulster Unionists.
He was unquestionably brilliant and also unquestionably flawed. Alan Clark referred to him as "The Prophet" and adored him. But AC also considered joining the National Front...
Funniliy, that part of his story seems to have been erased from the mytholigy that surrounds him!!
He was a strange man. He had a tremendous following of the racist working class. My union - I was a printer at the time - organised a trip to one of his speeches to support his stance on immigration. The fact that he supported having a permanant seven million unemployed to keep the wages claims down seemed to have passed them by.
He seemed stuck in the past. His views were very pre-war and didn't seem aware that the proles had at last got a voice. Seven million unemployed would have meant riots in the streets.
But as said earlier, his attack on Heath was nasty. Really quite viscious. He was, like most people, a mixture.
He seemed stuck in the past. His views were very pre-war and didn't seem aware that the proles had at last got a voice. Seven million unemployed would have meant riots in the streets.
But as said earlier, his attack on Heath was nasty. Really quite viscious. He was, like most people, a mixture.
fido said:
AJS- said:
I can mention him. I think he was a fantastically intelligent and insightful politician with principles. He got his language very wrong on immigration, and it cost him dearly, but he would rather stick to his guns than go running around pretending to like rap music and apologising for slavery to show how unracist he is, like most politicians would do.
But he managed to achieve the opposite by making the subject Taboo. It was a spiteful way of getting back at Heath. He didn't fit in with the team, so he tried to undermine it instead. That's not principles - it's selfish political posturing. I think the comparison with Brown ridiculous promise of 'British jobs for British workers' is quite apt."If Enoch Powell were tried for undermining Ted Heath, any Tory jury would acquit him and award him his costs. But Tories ought to remember that as late as 1979, Enoch advised the electorate to vote for the Callaghan government and against Margaret Thatcher"
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/...
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