Osborne unveils £140bn scheme to kick-start stagnant economy

Osborne unveils £140bn scheme to kick-start stagnant economy

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Fittster

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20,120 posts

214 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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"The Bank of England is to offer money to high-street banks to kick-start mortgage and small business lending to prevent loans being rationed for many families and entrepreneurs, the Chancellor announced.
It comes after sharp rises in the costs of mortgages and other loans in recent months as banks struggle to raise money in the midst of the single currency crisis.

Sir Mervyn King, the Bank of England Governor, said that the “industrialised world have thrown everything bar the kitchen sink” at the global economic meltdown but that even “bolder action” was now required."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...

So a good idea?

There wasn't much support for growth earlier

greygoose

8,282 posts

196 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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So the Bank of England is creating more money to give to the banks, haven't they already been doing this through QE without lending increasing? Isn't excessive lending/borrowing one of the causes of the problems we are currently facing?

Sounds great until we have to pay back the £140 billion.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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greygoose said:
Sounds great until we have to pay back the £140 billion.
If they are printing money you dont have to pay it back, it will just go ontop of all the other everyday living expenses.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

208 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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Gotta love the academic economists.
We've, in the West, lost the understanding of how economic growth occurs.
Or rather, those in charge have.

Chipper

1,314 posts

218 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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They are just getting ready for when Greece pulls out and the st really hits the fans. Quite depressing really

JagLover

42,498 posts

236 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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WhoseGeneration said:
Gotta love the academic economists.
We've, in the West, lost the understanding of how economic growth occurs.
Or rather, those in charge have.
yes

Just keep kicking that can down the street and ignore the fundamental problem of competitiveness in the UK.

BOR

4,713 posts

256 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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They've done this before, haven't they?

Last time the banks just held onto the cash to offset all the toxic debt they'd bought. Why will it be different this time?

This scheme is a good idea, but only if they bypass the banks and lend direct.

Otherwise, it's just another way for the toffs to dish out free money to their banker friends, who will stuff it into their bonus pools.

cymtriks

4,560 posts

246 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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JagLover said:
WhoseGeneration said:
Gotta love the academic economists.
We've, in the West, lost the understanding of how economic growth occurs.
Or rather, those in charge have.
yes

Just keep kicking that can down the street and ignore the fundamental problem of competitiveness in the UK.
They do know what needs to happen, they just dare not tell the electorate!

What we are seeing is the fundamental problem with democracy.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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greygoose said:
So the Bank of England is creating more money to give to the banks, haven't they already been doing this through QE without lending increasing? Isn't excessive lending/borrowing one of the causes of the problems we are currently facing?

Sounds great until we have to pay back the £140 billion.
I think the trouble before was the banks were bailed out with no conditions on lending. This time someone has had the novel idea to give them money with some conditions attached.

turbobloke

104,094 posts

261 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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Are they 'creating money'? This doesn't look like QE. It seems to be BoE loans to banks at low rates to encourage lending to mortgage and business customers, so hopefully yes with strings attached.

Liokault

2,837 posts

215 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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turbobloke said:
Are they 'creating money'? This doesn't look like QE. It seems to be BoE loans to banks at low rates to encourage lending to mortgage and business customers, so hopefully yes with strings attached.
So, the BoE has £140 Billion just sat there waiting to be loaned in an emergency?

turbobloke

104,094 posts

261 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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Liokault said:
turbobloke said:
Are they 'creating money'? This doesn't look like QE. It seems to be BoE loans to banks at low rates to encourage lending to mortgage and business customers, so hopefully yes with strings attached.
So, the BoE has £140 Billion just sat there waiting to be loaned in an emergency?
The article mentions QE separately.

DT Article said:
It is the latest attempt – following the cut in interest rates to record lows and the £325bn quantitative easing scheme – to kick-start the British economy following the start of the financial crisis four years ago.
That alone was the basis for my comment.


Use Psychology

11,327 posts

193 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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given the failure of the last round to do much, i think i'd rather see the government take the cash spend it on infrastructure.

turbobloke

104,094 posts

261 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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I still don't think it looks like QE. Apparently there are two elements one of £60bn the other £80bn.

The first (scheme) worth at least £5billion a month involves the Bank giving banks money from its own resources in return for assets. It could run for more than a year. The mechanism is already in place but Sir Mervyn announced he would activate it in the coming weeks.

The second is a “funding for lending” scheme worth up to £80billion a year, depending on demand, in which banks will be able to swap assets that are not useful to them because of market conditions for top quality packages like Treasury gilts – as good as cash.

Blue62

8,918 posts

153 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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I think I'd rather not see the banks involved to the extent that they are, if we are finally going to admit that the economy needs a kick, then I would prefer it if the banks were not so central to the strategy.

johnfm

13,668 posts

251 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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The banks, as last time round, are given a 180 degree conflicting remit:

1. Increase your capital adequacy;

2. Lend more.

Not sure both can happen at the same time chaps.

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

227 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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Wouldn't just "widen the A1 to make it three lanes from South Mimms to Edinburgh" be a more useful exercise?

At least it'd give loads of people something to do, and at the end of it, you've got a nice road.

Four Litre

2,019 posts

193 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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Havent we done all this before??? They give to the banks - banks either keep it, pay bonuses, restore balance sheets etc. Makes no difference to the man or woman in the street.

why not just do this in reverse? Give it to the people in terms of a voucher that expires so you have to use it to pay off loans/Finance or buy something - ultimately this goes back to the banks anyway and hey presto people have more money to spend again...

Everyones a winner yes??!

mondeoman

11,430 posts

267 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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Four Litre said:
Havent we done all this before??? They give to the banks - banks either keep it, pay bonuses, restore balance sheets etc. Makes no difference to the man or woman in the street.

why not just do this in reverse? Give it to the people in terms of a voucher that expires so you have to use it to pay off loans/Finance or buy something - ultimately this goes back to the banks anyway and hey presto people have more money to spend again...

Everyones a winner yes??!
Too bleedin obvious!

Four Litre

2,019 posts

193 months

Friday 15th June 2012
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mondeoman said:
Four Litre said:
Havent we done all this before??? They give to the banks - banks either keep it, pay bonuses, restore balance sheets etc. Makes no difference to the man or woman in the street.

why not just do this in reverse? Give it to the people in terms of a voucher that expires so you have to use it to pay off loans/Finance or buy something - ultimately this goes back to the banks anyway and hey presto people have more money to spend again...

Everyones a winner yes??!
Too bleedin obvious!
On a serious note - what is wrong with my cunning plan???