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GTIR
Original Poster
19,228 posts
136 months
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If you could would you/do you put your money in offshore tax haven schemes like Carr. I'm not suggesting we all start doing it as that would be silly and impossible but if you could would you? Leaving the percentages and all the moral hoohaa aside I bet if it meant securing a future for your children you would. Vote away. For the record I would. 
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KingNothing
785 posts
23 months
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Anything legal yes I would, morality doesn't come into paying taxes, legality does though, I don't pay my taxes out of pure kindness, I pay them, because legally I have to.
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Zwolf
22,321 posts
76 months
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Of course, provided it's legal tax avoidance, rather than commit tax evasion. I don't fancy prison at all.
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PH lurker
1,257 posts
27 months
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Zwolf said: Of course, provided it's legal tax avoidance, rather than commit tax evasion. I don't fancy prison at all. +1 Like most of us, I'm inherently selfish and want a nice TVR.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,313 posts
20 months
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No, I wouldn't. Not taking the moral high ground, I might do if the top rate was silly. But a top rate of tax of 45% is quite reasonable, and I think it's right that I contribute my fair share to the country. After all, I have 2 kids in free education, a police force, army etc. I'm happy to pay a reasonable % for that.
And I earn considerably less than Jimmy Carr!!
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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Zwolf said: Of course, provided it's legal tax avoidance, rather than commit tax evasion. I don't fancy prison at all. The 'Carr' scheme hasn't been tested in court, so it may well become illegal. Didn't something similar happen with a scheme used by IT contractors recently?- it was tested in court, found to be illegal, and the Revenue are now chasing for payment. A tested and legal avoidance scheme - yes, I'd do that. One of these 'grey areas' where it's only exploitable until the Revenue get around to testing in court... no, definitely not.
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Comfortably Dumb
1,234 posts
55 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: No, I wouldn't. Not taking the moral high ground, I might do if the top rate was silly. But a top rate of tax of 45% is quite reasonable, and I think it's right that I contribute my fair share to the country. After all, I have 2 kids in free education, a police force, army etc. I'm happy to pay a reasonable % for that.
And I earn considerably less than Jimmy Carr!! Many higher rate tax payers will have private health and education, yet they pay a greater overall percentage of their earning as tax. Hardly their "fair share"! Personally I'd use every tax avoidance scheme possible to reduce my liability. I'd like to see a single flat rate of tax, everybody pays x% of their earnings.
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Eric Mc
67,846 posts
135 months
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I could and I don't.
There are lots of less aggressive tax avoidance measures that are perfectly workable and far less controversial that can be used to mitigate ones taxes without being extreme.
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Pommygranite
4,184 posts
86 months
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Eric Mc said: I could and I don't.
There are lots of less aggressive tax avoidance measures that are perfectly workable and far less controversial that can be used to mitigate ones taxes without being extreme. But would you not argue the risk for him it's worth the reward given the level of money he'd save as opposed to £100-150k? It's worth the effort when it's in the millions.
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BenM77
2,155 posts
34 months
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I wouldn't, it is odd to me that anyone would want to cheat the system (legal or not).
As pointed out already, the services we all enjoy do not pay for themselves. Why would you expect something for nothing ?
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NightRunner
4,303 posts
64 months
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BenM77 said: I wouldn't, it is odd to me that anyone would want to cheat the system (legal or not).
As pointed out already, the services we all enjoy do not pay for themselves. Why would you expect something for nothing ? If it's legal, how is it cheating? Think of it the other way, if you don't do it, you're just making a donation to the G'ment.
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VinceFox
14,784 posts
42 months
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Yes.
And frankly a prime minister describing legal tax avoidance as immoral is one of the most ridiculas things ive heard this year.
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Shay HTFC
2,979 posts
59 months
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NightRunner said: BenM77 said: I wouldn't, it is odd to me that anyone would want to cheat the system (legal or not).
As pointed out already, the services we all enjoy do not pay for themselves. Why would you expect something for nothing ? If it's legal, how is it cheating? Think of it the other way, if you don't do it, you're just making a donation to the G'ment. I'd feel uneasy about it if it meant I had to pretend I wasn't a fulltime UK citizen or had to route my income through a charity or whatnot. I'd consider that cheating.
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BenM77
2,155 posts
34 months
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NightRunner said: BenM77 said: I wouldn't, it is odd to me that anyone would want to cheat the system (legal or not).
As pointed out already, the services we all enjoy do not pay for themselves. Why would you expect something for nothing ? If it's legal, how is it cheating? Think of it the other way, if you don't do it, you're just making a donation to the G'ment. I am sure you are joking, your taxes are what makes this Country great. Your 'donation' to the government is what pays for the NHS to look after your family member through cancer etc. this thread is b  ks. What if everyone did it ? What a great Country we would all live in then.
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VinceFox
14,784 posts
42 months
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BenM77 said: NightRunner said: BenM77 said: I wouldn't, it is odd to me that anyone would want to cheat the system (legal or not).
As pointed out already, the services we all enjoy do not pay for themselves. Why would you expect something for nothing ? If it's legal, how is it cheating? Think of it the other way, if you don't do it, you're just making a donation to the G'ment. I am sure you are joking, your taxes are what makes this Country great. Your 'donation' to the government is what pays for the NHS to look after you family member through cancer etc. this thread is b ks. What if everyone did it ? What a great Country we would all live in then. Then it's the job of government to make it ILLEGAL.
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BenM77
2,155 posts
34 months
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VinceFox said: Then it's the job of government to make it ILLEGAL. Not a great argument, if you know what you are doing is Legal but Immoral then the only difference is the consequences.
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VinceFox
14,784 posts
42 months
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BenM77 said: VinceFox said: Then it's the job of government to make it ILLEGAL. Not a great argument, if you know what you are doing is Legal but Immoral then the only difference is the consequences. I'm not the PM though. The one using the term "immoral" is. It has a similar feel to bad parents moaning about the behaviour of their children, to me.
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Alex
6,302 posts
154 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: But a top rate of tax of 45% is quite reasonable No, it's not.
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rumple
2,609 posts
21 months
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I would, good luck to him, amazing listening to politicians lecturing on morals, that one made me laugh out loud
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Countdown
6,621 posts
66 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: No, I wouldn't. Not taking the moral high ground, I might do if the top rate was silly. But a top rate of tax of 45% is quite reasonable, and I think it's right that I contribute my fair share to the country. After all, I have 2 kids in free education, a police force, army etc. I'm happy to pay a reasonable % for that.
And I earn considerably less than Jimmy Carr!! Exactly. Compared to the lives my grandparents had I live in a veritable utopia. Paying my taxes is the least I can do.
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