Supreme Court Upholds Obamacare
Discussion
martin84 said:
This whole saga does make me glad we have the NHS in this country though, it's easy to take things for granted.
Yet talk to American's who have experienced our NHS and they think it's like something from the 3rd world.I tend to agree. The NHS just wants to patch you up to a minimum standard and then get rid of you. In the US they want to make you better, OK, only because the more time and effort they spend on you the more they can charge an isnurance company, but many, many people just get fobbed off by the NHS.
unrepentant said:
You win the prize for the most uneducated moronic comment of the day. 
The Supreme Court has a 5/4 Republican bias and the swing vote was that of chief justice Roberts, an appointee of George W Bush who opposed the 4 other Republicans who voted the party line.
The Supreme Court has a 5/4 Republican bias and the swing vote was that of chief justice Roberts, an appointee of George W Bush who opposed the 4 other Republicans who voted the party line.
eh?
Did i not just say above both parties are beholden to the healthcare lobby.
learn to read buddy.
Caulkhead said:
As I understand it, currently if you don't have insurance but can afford it, if you need medical care you have to pay for it. If you don't have insurance and can't afford it, tax-payer funded medicare/medicaid pays.
Now if you can afford insurance and don't buy it you get fined by the IRS and if you can't afford it you get fined by the IRS?
Or have I got that wrong?
Right and wrong. Medicaid covers relatively few people, not the working poor. If your company doesn't have a plan it can be very expensive to buy healthcare as an individual for your family. This will make it much easier and more cost effective.Now if you can afford insurance and don't buy it you get fined by the IRS and if you can't afford it you get fined by the IRS?
Or have I got that wrong?
You also forgot about people who have previously been ill who are denied coverage under the "pre existing" condition clause that insurance companies all have. They then get ill and are treated and often have to go bankrupt to pay their medical bills. These are often people who are able to and want to buy insurance but it is denied them. That will change from 2014.
Nobody need get fined because the healhcare cover offered to those who cannot get it elsewhere will be affordable. If you are too poor to pay tax you will be exempt from paying, AS YOU ARE IN THE UK.
12gauge said:
unrepentant said:
You win the prize for the most uneducated moronic comment of the day.
The Supreme Court has a 5/4 Republican bias and the swing vote was that of chief justice Roberts, an appointee of George W Bush who opposed the 4 other Republicans who voted the party line.
The Supreme Court has a 5/4 Republican bias and the swing vote was that of chief justice Roberts, an appointee of George W Bush who opposed the 4 other Republicans who voted the party line.
eh?
Did i not just say above both parties are beholden to the healthcare lobby.
learn to read buddy.
12gauge said:
Not surprising. Maobama has gone to great lengths to install judges who hold the constitution in contempt.
You're a moron.Engineer1 said:
Jasandjules said:
Hmm, this seems a touch odd. I wonder if this is going to cost Obama the presidency.
With Mitt magic pants Romney? Against him? I really hope the US is intelligent enough to not just vote for the other guy as a backlash.As you say, hopefully the public will prove to be more intelligent than the loonies on the right believe them to be and see through the rhetoric.
Deva Link said:
Yet talk to American's who have experienced our NHS and they think it's like something from the 3rd world.
That's been my experience too. It's expensive, crap and employs too many people who shouldn't be trusted to run a bath much less manage public funds or look after sick people.Engineer1 said:
Jasandjules said:
Hmm, this seems a touch odd. I wonder if this is going to cost Obama the presidency.
With Mitt magic pants Romney? Against him? I really hope the US is intelligent enough to not just vote for the other guy as a backlash.Deva Link said:
Yet talk to American's who have experienced our NHS and they think it's like something from the 3rd world.
I've never had a good experience with the NHS. US healthcare - different story though for me. No idea where they seem to think that poor people get no heath care in the US - they all use ER as a doctors surgery! And ER deny health care! Deva Link said:
I tend to agree. The NHS just wants to patch you up to a minimum standard and then get rid of you. .
I have to completely disagree with that I had fantastic care and rehab a few years back following a accident at work that did quite a bit of damage to my knee from A+E to physio, over a year of care until I was 100% again. Knowing the NHS is there and will never charge me for the care I need is a massive weight lifted. I fail to see how anyone can get better from any ailment with the threat of being bankrupted by your insurance company hanging over your head.Lol, today we decided you aren't covered because you didn't disclose the paracetamol your purchased in 1994 in your history, good luck paying that $2.5,000,000 bill.
johnfm said:
If health insurance and provision is so bloated and overpriced in the US, why hasn't some enterprising soul (like Branson or similar) come into the market and undercut the current market players?
Who knows. It's a cosy club. Interesting to see that the share prices of major medical insurers fell sharply on the announcement whilst those of major hospital groups rose.Nobody is suggesting that the standard of healthcare for those that can afford it is not excellent here, by and large it is. It's also ludicrously expensive.
It's interesting that the USA spends 17% of GDP on healthcare, no other country spends more than 12%. And yet the US ranks very low in terms of life expectancy and very poorly when infant mortality rates are taken into account.
sirtyro said:
Engineer1 said:
Jasandjules said:
Hmm, this seems a touch odd. I wonder if this is going to cost Obama the presidency.
With Mitt magic pants Romney? Against him? I really hope the US is intelligent enough to not just vote for the other guy as a backlash.That and a religion that was made up recently, has an angel named Moroni, etc leads me to think the guy is possibly a little f
ked in the head.Edited by Engineer1 on Thursday 28th June 21:46
Engineer1 said:
Because the guy is from a fringe religion he isn't able to swing the faithful behind him in the way a Catholic, Jewish or Muslim could, that and he seems to have been rather extreme / nutty in his campaign.
That and a religion that was made up recently, has an angel named Moroni, etc leads me to think the guy is possibly a little fked in the head.
Whilst I tend to think that a persons religion is a personal matter (although the American right led by Trump and other wackos have been hell bent on proving their erroneous belief that Obama is a Muslim because that would somehow render him satanic) you have to wonder about anyone who seriously belives what practicing mormons believe.That and a religion that was made up recently, has an angel named Moroni, etc leads me to think the guy is possibly a little f
ked in the head.sirtyro said:
Why bring up his religion in a negative way? Seems you're not intelligent enough to respect peoples religious rites.
I assume you mean religious rights, rather than rites? His beliefs will affect his beliefs and thus actions. People with different beliefs also have rights, including that of seeing his as negative.
Engineer1 said:
sirtyro said:
Engineer1 said:
Jasandjules said:
Hmm, this seems a touch odd. I wonder if this is going to cost Obama the presidency.
With Mitt magic pants Romney? Against him? I really hope the US is intelligent enough to not just vote for the other guy as a backlash.That and a religion that was made up recently, has an angel named Moroni, etc leads me to think the guy is possibly a little f
ked in the head.Edited by Engineer1 on Thursday 28th June 21:46
ked in the head if you choose not to believe in anything. Just think its a little ignorant to treat people like that.eldar said:
sirtyro said:
Why bring up his religion in a negative way? Seems you're not intelligent enough to respect peoples religious rites.
I assume you mean religious rights, rather than rites? His beliefs will affect his beliefs and thus actions. People with different beliefs also have rights, including that of seeing his as negative.
Engineer1 said:
With Mitt magic pants Romney?
referring to a Mormon religious rite in a negative way. People are entitled to an opinion and judgement on different beliefs....its a shame they just can't do it with respect. unrepentant said:
Right and wrong. Medicaid covers relatively few people, not the working poor.
I suppose that depends on your definition of relatively few. In 2008 it covered 49 million people in the US.unrepentant said:
If your company doesn't have a plan it can be very expensive to buy healthcare as an individual for your family. This will make it much easier and more cost effective.
The average healthcare bill for family with no employer cover in 2011 was $414 a month. An average UK family earning the equivalent pays about $4000 a year in NI contributions. Of course that pays for more than just the NHS but if more than one member of the family earns, they pay more.unrepentant said:
You also forgot about people who have previously been ill who are denied coverage under the "pre existing" condition clause that insurance companies all have. They then get ill and are treated and often have to go bankrupt to pay their medical bills. These are often people who are able to and want to buy insurance but it is denied them. That will change from 2014.
I suppose that compares with people in the UK who have paid their stamp for life and are then denied care or drugs due to cost or postcode.unrepentant said:
Nobody need get fined because the healhcare cover offered to those who cannot get it elsewhere will be affordable. If you are too poor to pay tax you will be exempt from paying, AS YOU ARE IN THE UK.
Like the 49 million already enrolled on Medicaid already are?Manks said:
Deva Link said:
Yet talk to American's who have experienced our NHS and they think it's like something from the 3rd world.
That's been my experience too. It's expensive, crap and employs too many people who shouldn't be trusted to run a bath much less manage public funds or look after sick people.So, in short, if you want to see a doctor quickly, step in front of a bus...
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