Immigration

[R1gtr]

I am not that bothered about people coming here to work, all credit to them.
However I do have a problem with them being given preferential treatment, we treat them better than we ourselves would be treated if we moved to Poland for example. Can you imagine what would happen if you showed up in Poland and expected a Council house, benefits for your kids back home in Blighty and expected to go straight to the top of the NHS queue?? Quite rightly they would tell you to do one.

I am proud that people would like to come to Britain to work and intigrate into our culture as long as they are not here for a free handout.
My only concern is that if some regulations are not put in place then younger generations may suffer when trying to find employment.

[Chris Type R]

R1gtr said:

I am not that bothered about people coming here to work, all credit to them.
However I do have a problem with them being given preferential treatment, we treat them better than we ourselves would be treated if we moved to Poland for example. Can you imagine what would happen if you showed up in Poland and expected a Council house, benefits for your kids back home in Blighty and expected to go straight to the top of the NHS queue?? Quite rightly they would tell you to do one.

Hmmm, I'm an immigrant - where's my free stuff and preferential treatment ?!?

[R1gtr]

You must be doing something wrong, you probably have a job

[Mermaid]

I reckon a high percentage of immigrants would prefer a pause/ serious slowdown of more immigration. Finely balanced.

[Lost_BMW]

Halb said:

Lost_BMW said:

Yes, but they don't have to be seven. It's amazing how productive a 5 year old can be with the right motivation.


As the erudite poster above noted, why should a business pay more in production costs just to match a white, British adult worker?



Cheap at half the age price.

You fool.
I plan to import some 3 year old brown kids. I'll outdo you yet!

Ah ha but you haven't seen our baby farm yet. The overseer is a bit soft at the moment but we'll soon knock some 3rd world work ethic and expectations into them.

Don't tell Heretic though, he might report us to the chain gang authority.

[Lost_BMW]

TheHeretic said:

So a silly point? We have immigrant workers, therefore it is a slippery slope type argument?

Or irony - you know the sort of thing some of us use to cope with our frustrations? But given that you clearly haven't the nous to spot it or the sense of levity to put up with it I guess the silliness of the (non) 'argument' just added to your angst.

I'll have to remember that PH is only for serious people like you to educate the rest of us fools in politics, society and the way of the world. Or you could just become a politician and do it for some actual purpose...


"Crosses TheHeretic off dinner party invitation list."

[Victor McDade]

Lost_BMW said:

My agency is just starting to bring in children from India and China - many very experienced in production line manufacture, textiles etc. even at 7 years of age - for hire to business here, at very low rates.

That is OK isn't it?

Yes lets compare something which is legal to something which isn't.

Lots of local businesses and tradesmen are still thriving despite the 'genocidal' immigration we're facing. Those which aren't need to look at their business model again or they need to ask themselves if they're really cut out for it all.

[Derek Smith]

My daughter-in-law is foreign non-EEC naturalised, my son-in-law is foreign EEC and my younger son's partner is non-EEC foreign when she arrived but now foreign EEC. I'd complain but then my paternal grandparents were foreign pre EEC and three of my wife's grandparents were foreign pre EEC.

My son-in-law is studying full time for a change in career but everyone else, including me come to that despite being over retirement age, is working.

[scenario8]

Derek Smith said:

My daughter-in-law is foreign non-EEC naturalised, my son-in-law is foreign EEC and my younger son's partner is non-EEC foreign when she arrived but now foreign EEC. I'd complain but then my paternal grandparents were foreign pre EEC and three of my wife's grandparents were foreign pre EEC.

My son-in-law is studying full time for a change in career but everyone else, including me come to that despite being over retirement age, is working.

I thought you were retired Derek?

How's the house move progressing, btw?

[markcoznottz]

Victor McDade said:

Lost_BMW said:

My agency is just starting to bring in children from India and China - many very experienced in production line manufacture, textiles etc. even at 7 years of age - for hire to business here, at very low rates.

That is OK isn't it?

Yes lets compare something which is legal to something which isn't.

Lots of local businesses and tradesmen are still thriving despite the 'genocidal' immigration we're facing. Those which aren't need to look at their business model again or they need to ask themselves if they're really cut out for it all.

Knock that fking posturing dragons den macho posturing on the head, how do you know they are 'thriving'?? Have you examined thier books, spoke to thier accountant? We are talking about long term trends here. I fear for your intelligence frankly, how can you make such sweeping statements. On a wider point, one of those eu bods should balance up non skilled movement across the eu otherwise thier will be too many workers in one country and not enough elsewhere.

[Timsta]

Chris Type R said:

Hmmm, I'm an immigrant - where's my free stuff and preferential treatment ?!?

As was I. When I lost my job I didn't get any benefits that the nationals got. I had paid as much if not more tax and NI than everyone else I was working with (about £30,000), but without reaping any of the 'benefits.'

[unrepentant]

FrankyH said:

They already make up 20 odd %, isn't that enough ( too much in fact)? Imagine say China making 20 odd % of China non Chinese, or Japan making Japan 20 odd % non Japanese, or Pakistan making Pakistan 20 odd % non Pakistani, and still letting more in, and you will see how unnatural and insane and wrong this is. We are not doing this to our own people in our own country either.

Who are our own people?

And when you say "they" who do you mean? Theat pretty blonde Australian barmaid? That Kevin Pietersen fellow?

[TheHeretic]

Lost_BMW said:

Or irony - you know the sort of thing some of us use to cope with our frustrations? But given that you clearly haven't the nous to spot it or the sense of levity to put up with it I guess the silliness of the (non) 'argument' just added to your angst.

I'll have to remember that PH is only for serious people like you to educate the rest of us fools in politics, society and the way of the world. Or you could just become a politician and do it for some actual purpose...


"Crosses TheHeretic off dinner party invitation list."

I'm not sure what was ironic about your post, but don't fret.

[aizvara]

markcoznottz said:

Knock that fking posturing dragons den macho posturing on the head, how do you know they are 'thriving'?? Have you examined thier books, spoke to thier accountant? We are talking about long term trends here. I fear for your intelligence frankly, how can you make such sweeping statements. On a wider point, one of those eu bods should balance up non skilled movement across the eu otherwise thier will be too many workers in one country and not enough elsewhere.

Surely if there are too many workers to jobs then wages will drop, and economic migrants will head elsewhere. I may be being naive here.

[vonuber]

unrepentant said:

Who are our own people?

Those who can trace an unbroken line back 10,000 years obviously.

[Countdown]

aizvara said:

markcoznottz said:

Knock that fking posturing dragons den macho posturing on the head, how do you know they are 'thriving'?? Have you examined thier books, spoke to thier accountant? We are talking about long term trends here. I fear for your intelligence frankly, how can you make such sweeping statements. On a wider point, one of those eu bods should balance up non skilled movement across the eu otherwise thier will be too many workers in one country and not enough elsewhere.

Surely if there are too many workers to jobs then wages will drop, and economic migrants will head elsewhere. I may be being naive here.

I don't think you are. That's basic "Supply and Demand"

[TheHeretic]

vonuber said:

unrepentant said:

Who are our own people?

Those who can trace an unbroken line back 10,000 years obviously.

"We are all Africans" - As the campaign says.

[Engineer1]

TheHeretic said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Always makes me laugh when people say this.Of course they're good workers when they're on probably the equivalent of 3 times the money they would earn in their own country.

Would you work better for 3 times the money you are on?

Maybe if I could live like a student, and have a target amount of savings in mind so you work for 3 years and go home to buy your new house and car and live the dream.

[Countdown]

markcoznottz said:

Knock that fking posturing dragons den macho posturing on the head, how do you know they are 'thriving'?? Have you examined thier books, spoke to thier accountant?

I'm an accountant and I've seen lots of "books", but in all honesty, I know which of the tradesmen I'm using are doing well and which ones probably aren't, without looking at their accounts.

The ones that are doing well are the ones I regularly use and are often hard to get hold of because they have a few other jobs on (usually for family or friends). They're the ones with nice houses and cars. They're the ones that turn up on a cold wet November night to fix a tenant's gas boiler. They're the ones that are not necessarily the cheapest but will do an honest job for a fair price.

I couldn't tell you how the cr@p ones are doing because I only used them once.

markcoznottz said:

We are talking about long term trends here.

The long term trends are this; As a result of the global economy, migration, and transport links there are no barriers to entry to low skilled jobs. That is why most of the low-skilled assembly jobs have been relocated to Countries where labour is cheap. Even the high skilled stuff is going the same way. Lots of UK industries have experienced this (have a look at all the cotton mills lying derelict in the North). If you want to compete you need something that sets you apart, whether that's quality, technical knowledge, design, ideally something that can't be replicated 20 minutes later in a chinese CAD office, or by a polish plumber 20 minutes after he steps off a Ryanair flight.

[Funkycoldribena]

Countdown said:

markcoznottz said:

Knock that fking posturing dragons den macho posturing on the head, how do you know they are 'thriving'?? Have you examined thier books, spoke to thier accountant?

I'm an accountant and I've seen lots of "books", but in all honesty, I know which of the tradesmen I'm using are doing well and which ones probably aren't, without looking at their accounts.

The ones that are doing well are the ones I regularly use and are often hard to get hold of because they have a few other jobs on (usually for family or friends). They're the ones with nice houses and cars. They're the ones that turn up on a cold wet November night to fix a tenant's gas boiler. They're the ones that are not necessarily the cheapest but will do an honest job for a fair price.

I couldn't tell you how the cr@p ones are doing because I only used them once.

markcoznottz said:

We are talking about long term trends here.

The long term trends are this; As a result of the global economy, migration, and transport links there are no barriers to entry to low skilled jobs. That is why most of the low-skilled assembly jobs have been relocated to Countries where labour is cheap. Even the high skilled stuff is going the same way. Lots of UK industries have experienced this (have a look at all the cotton mills lying derelict in the North). If you want to compete you need something that sets you apart, whether that's quality, technical knowledge, design, ideally something that can't be replicated 20 minutes later in a chinese CAD office, or by a polish plumber 20 minutes after he steps off a Ryanair flight.

I do wonder if you would have the same opinions if we suddenly became flooded with accountants willing to work for a lot less than you?