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vonuber said:
Edit: actually I can't be arsed. This is just more half baked racism.
But is it? As our ex-Dear Leader said, it's "lazy elitism" to portray people with worries about immigration as racist. "Immigration is not an issue for fringe parties, nor a taboo subject. It is a question to be dealt with at the heart of our politics, a question about what it means to be British."
Although, I suspect that you may be correct.
MX7 said:
"Immigration is not an issue for fringe parties, nor a taboo subject. It is a question to be dealt with at the heart of our politics, a question about what it means to be British."
Being a second generation immigrant (albeit white) I would say I sum exactly what it is like to be British.
vonuber said:
MX7 said:
"Immigration is not an issue for fringe parties, nor a taboo subject. It is a question to be dealt with at the heart of our politics, a question about what it means to be British."
Being a second generation immigrant (albeit white) I would say I sum exactly what it is like to be British.MX7 said:
So you can decide when the question is asked in innocence, or when it has racist connotations then?
No, but the specific mention of:op said:
85% of our country was White British way back in 2001 (from the census). They have been allowing over half a million into our country every single year since then. They already make up 20 odd %, and they are still letting more in.
.. does seem to imply, as TheHeretic notes, that my skin colour is not the issue even if I am from immigrant heritage.I'm all for immigration, here and elsewhere. My girlfriend is an immigrant, my son can therefore claim two nationalities as his own. Many of my friends and colleagues are immigrants too.
My family has lived in Saudi, when I was younger. I would like the opportunity to live and work abroad again, too. My family also apparently partly comes from Spain, some generations ago.
What is the problem you anti-immigration people have with my friends, colleagues and all the other immigrants that make up the UK? Is it financial, physical, psychological harm or what?
My family has lived in Saudi, when I was younger. I would like the opportunity to live and work abroad again, too. My family also apparently partly comes from Spain, some generations ago.
What is the problem you anti-immigration people have with my friends, colleagues and all the other immigrants that make up the UK? Is it financial, physical, psychological harm or what?
One of our biggest problems is that our small island is overcrowded. In the past three weeks, I have spent two separate weeks touring around Europe, either by car or motorbike. Whilst away, I saw no traffic jams, and it was a pleasure to use the roads. As soon as I came back to our country (Portsmouth on both occasions), it was bloody carnage. On my second return, we didn't even manage to get home due to the motorways being closed because of accidents. We don't have the capacity to allow more people in. And we've got 5 million people sat at home living on benefits. Crazy. It wouldn't happen in Australia.
aizvara said:
I'm all for immigration, here and elsewhere. My girlfriend is an immigrant, my son can therefore claim two nationalities as his own. Many of my friends and colleagues are immigrants too.
My family has lived in Saudi, when I was younger. I would like the opportunity to live and work abroad again, too. My family also apparently partly comes from Spain, some generations ago.
What is the problem you anti-immigration people have with my friends, colleagues and all the other immigrants that make up the UK? Is it financial, physical, psychological harm or what?
Probably the systematic unregulated immigration of a whole new workforce, which has depressed job availability, wages, overtime, and led to most minimum wage work moving to agency. You have to protect the 'established' workforce irrespective of race, otherwise it's just a race to the bottom. It's up to countries like Romania and Lithuania to make it worthwhile for thier workforce to stay put, not for us to level with them. Some tMy family has lived in Saudi, when I was younger. I would like the opportunity to live and work abroad again, too. My family also apparently partly comes from Spain, some generations ago.
What is the problem you anti-immigration people have with my friends, colleagues and all the other immigrants that make up the UK? Is it financial, physical, psychological harm or what?
ts in the home office would say ' well we can work in Lithuania' , er yes ok, let's have thier civil service come over and undercut YOUR trade then . The minimum wage is useless if noone offers a full time paye job. It's socialism behind it, and it will end in tears. nightflight said:
One of our biggest problems is that our small island is overcrowded. In the past three weeks, I have spent two separate weeks touring around Europe, either by car or motorbike. Whilst away, I saw no traffic jams, and it was a pleasure to use the roads. As soon as I came back to our country (Portsmouth on both occasions), it was bloody carnage. On my second return, we didn't even manage to get home due to the motorways being closed because of accidents. We don't have the capacity to allow more people in. And we've got 5 million people sat at home living on benefits. Crazy. It wouldn't happen in Australia.
Crazy, I've been to Italy, Paris Germany and seen traffic jams and I think you'll find Australia has more immigrants than actual authentic 'Australians'.
Meridius said:
markcoznottz said:
Yes it's great having an immigrant workforce come in and undercut your trade. I'm guessing that hasn't happened to you?
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