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Murph7355 said:
elster said:
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I take it you don't know many people abroad to make that comment, as the UK certainly doesn't have an immigration problem.
France for example you will find whole towns that are full of immigrants and many illegal (an lot more than ours)
Bring some stats into the debate and we will see where they go This is the big flaw to the Immigration argument, is the whole I met a foreigner so it must be bad aspect and random individual cases that the press will use. Yet never any evidence of this huge immigration problem.
Without wishing to sound argumentative (I'm genuinely interested), do you have the relative stats for "problematic" immigration across the EU?I take it you don't know many people abroad to make that comment, as the UK certainly doesn't have an immigration problem.
France for example you will find whole towns that are full of immigrants and many illegal (an lot more than ours)
Bring some stats into the debate and we will see where they go This is the big flaw to the Immigration argument, is the whole I met a foreigner so it must be bad aspect and random individual cases that the press will use. Yet never any evidence of this huge immigration problem.
I'm aware of places in France and Germany (amongst others) that have towns like those you mention, but do not know whether they are more prevalent than here or not. I'm not even sure if such things are legitimately measured (or can even be
measured).
European Commission do measure these
elster said:
FrankyH said:
Are we just going to keep allowing immigration until we are outnumbered in our own country (genocide)? A few immigrants and no one would have been bothered, but it has went way, way beyond that now.
85% of our country was White British way back in 2001 (from the census). They have been allowing over half a million into our country every single year since then. They already make up 20 odd %, and they are still letting more in.
Being outnumbered in your own country is something that happens when you lose a war, it is not something you deliberately choose. Under no circumstances whatsoever are we doing that.
We have to stop immigration, and also begin a repatriation programme to get the numbers back down to a reasonable level.
This guy is a definite keeper. 85% of our country was White British way back in 2001 (from the census). They have been allowing over half a million into our country every single year since then. They already make up 20 odd %, and they are still letting more in.
Being outnumbered in your own country is something that happens when you lose a war, it is not something you deliberately choose. Under no circumstances whatsoever are we doing that.
We have to stop immigration, and also begin a repatriation programme to get the numbers back down to a reasonable level.
Just had a brilliant laugh reading this thread.
Maybe if you brought some facts into the argument, such as we don't have a problem with immigration. Only the media spin of it.
Spain, now they have a big problem with immigration from all the Brits moving there. Many of who say they prefer it there due to the Brits there and no immigrants... Certainly no joined up though there.
Immigration is no different in the UK to most of the rest of the world.
We are not doing this either.
FrankyH said:
Did any of you grow up thinking "I hope some day we are outnumbered in our own country"?
We are not doing that guys.
Nope. We are not doing that guys.
But nor did I grow up thinking, nay, nor did I grow up indoctrinated, that anyone of a different colour or race or religion was a lesser being than me.
FrankyH said:
Did any of you grow up thinking "I hope some day we are outnumbered in our own country"?
We are not doing that guys.
I'm Australian. And I am outnumbered in my home town.We are not doing that guys.
Perth was 28% English vs 26% Australian in 2006.
But I don't care where people originate from, only what they are doing now they are here (contributing socialy and economically).
FrankyH said:
Did any of you grow up thinking "I hope some day we are outnumbered in our own country"?
We are not doing that guys.
Define outnumbered, define immigrant, explain why it's bad, tell us how far back you go to establish 'nationally'We are not doing that guys.
All of us here are in some way related to immigrants so you need to lay down some boundries otherwise you are making as much sense as one of those Greens waving a 'Stop Climate Change' banner.
Although I doubt you will as you still haven't responded to the other thread
FrankyH said:
Did any of you grow up thinking "I hope some day we are outnumbered in our own country"?
We are not doing that guys.
No, we grew up doing that already in other countries.We are not doing that guys.
Every country you will find Brit Immigrants, everywhere.
We are the one country who can't lecture on mass immigration, we created it.
You might want to read up on a bit of history, if you start around 2000BC and then work forward it will do wonders for your education.
Halb said:
Bibbs said:
I'm Australian. And I am outnumbered in my home town.
Perth was 28% English vs 26% Australian in 2006.
But I don't care where people originate from, only what they are doing now they are here (contributing socialy and economically).
Who were the other 46%?Perth was 28% English vs 26% Australian in 2006.
But I don't care where people originate from, only what they are doing now they are here (contributing socialy and economically).
Halb said:
elster said:
Well it is unlikely to be the native Australians, so really it would be a majority of immigrants throughout Australia.
I've never been to Perth, but I find it weird to think that the city is made up of 74% immigrants. 
wiki said:
In 2006, the largest ancestry groups in the Perth metropolitan areas were: English (534,555 or 28.6%), Australian (479,174 or 25.6%), Irish (115,384 or 6.2%), Scottish (113,846 or 6.1%), Italian (84,331 or 4.5%) and Chinese (53,390 or 2.9%). There were 3,101 Aboriginals in the city (0.2%).[35]
So 99.8% immigrant.markcoznottz said:
Meridius said:
markcoznottz said:
Yes it's great having an immigrant workforce come in and undercut your trade. I'm guessing that hasn't happened to you?
I work with about 20 Polish guys, they are excellent workers.
k should I care about wether polish plumbers are 'hard workers' let Poland find them work. It's a free market out there. Change or die, isn't that the saying?
FrankyH said:
Mermaid said:
If the government was to say " with immediate effect, and for 3 years, there will be zero immigration whilst we sort ourselves out. Once we are in rude health, we will re-open the gates on a measured basis."
Would the majority of the population be in favour of that decision?
What's the point in only slowing down when we are outnumbered in our own country? Would the majority of the population be in favour of that decision?
How is that outnumbered?
If you're a typical example of a white, British worker it proves immigration is a very good thing!
obob said:
FrankyH said:
Did any of you grow up thinking "I hope some day we are outnumbered in our own country"?
We are not doing that guys.
If we are not doing that then why are you so concerned? and as I said before you have your numbers very wrong. It was 8%.We are not doing that guys.
You are a deliberate liar.
They already make up 20 odd %, and they are still letting more in. That's a quarter of our country foreign, imagine China a quarter foreign and still letting more in, or Japan, or Pakistan, etc., etc., etc. This is an absolute humiliation. I think we are all sick to death of this humiliation.
Everyone needs to wake up to the fact of how serious this is, this is not a joke, they want to keep allowing immigration until we are outnumbered in our own country (genocide). You are not imagining this. We have to stop this.
2001 Census
Ethnic group Population % of total
White British 50,366,497 85.67%
White (other) 3,096,169 5.27%
Indian 1,053,411 1.8%
Pakistani 747,285 1.3%
White Irish 691,232 1.2%
Mixed race 677,117 1.2%
Black Caribbean 565,876 1.0%
Black African 485,277 0.8%
Bangladeshi 283,063 0.5%
Other Asian (non-Chinese) 247,664 0.4%
Chinese 247,403 0.4%
Other 230,615 0.4%
Black (others) 97,585 0.2%
Total 58,789,194 100%
Ethnic group Population % of total
White British 50,366,497 85.67%
White (other) 3,096,169 5.27%
Indian 1,053,411 1.8%
Pakistani 747,285 1.3%
White Irish 691,232 1.2%
Mixed race 677,117 1.2%
Black Caribbean 565,876 1.0%
Black African 485,277 0.8%
Bangladeshi 283,063 0.5%
Other Asian (non-Chinese) 247,664 0.4%
Chinese 247,403 0.4%
Other 230,615 0.4%
Black (others) 97,585 0.2%
Total 58,789,194 100%
markcoznottz said:
Meridius said:
This is planet Earth, you should be allowed to go wherever you like.
Yes it's great having an immigrant workforce come in and undercut your trade. I'm guessing that hasn't happened to you? Another thought on this,,,,,,,,,
perhaps we have been paying ourselves too much over the years, and we have priced ourselves out of the world market.
If the price of our labour is higher here than other countries, then sure we are going to have a problem.
I don't know the answer though.
vette
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