Immigration

[powerstroke]

Colonial said:

powerstroke said:

Yes most people are over paid, I think the more wealthy and the profesional classes will find this out when they have ruined the wider economy with short term gain like selling assets and forcing wages down with imigrant labour.. When the majoity of people dont have a living wage and a little bit left for other things like hobbys and hoidays, there will be a lot less for the folks at the top....

Or, as this has been prevalent in society since at least the Victorian times, nothing will change.

Yes, but up untill fairly recently
wealth was trickeling down and everybody was getting a little more now that link seems to be broken and the gap widening ...

Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 30th June 09:17

[Countdown]

markcoznottz said:

Countdown said:

markcoznottz said:

Would you not want to go back to pre 2001? You would be earning more and it would be easier to pull work in . Why the fk should I care about wether polish plumbers are 'hard workers' let Poland find them work.

If you are any good at your job why are you worried about the Poles ?

This is the uk why should I have to match an eastern European labour rate.

I don't understand. Why should I pay you more just because (I assume) you're British?

markcoznottz said:

They can charge peanuts and still use all our infrastructure. Brilliant. How many immigrants employ paye staff? Not many il bet. So they DO take our jobs despite what the liberal establishment say.

it's not just your infrastructure, it's mine as well Rather than protectionism I'd suggest doing a better job for a fair price if you want to compete.

Is that the infrastructure that all the "cash in hand" brigade pay towards?

Edited by Countdown on Saturday 30th June 12:28

[JagLover]

aizvara said:

What is the problem you anti-immigration people have with my friends, colleagues and all the other immigrants that make up the UK? Is it financial, physical, psychological harm or what?

I don't think most have a problem with immigration at a reasonable level, my wife is an immigrant so I am not one for no immigration at all.

But there is a limit to that level, and there has to be, otherwise there isn't a Britain anymore really. Immigration of 1/2 million a year seems far too high on the basis both of the infrastructure of the UK and also the ability to maintain a unified country.

It should be remembered that most immigrants settle in the South-East which is already one of the most densly populated parts of the world, is a continuing influx on this scale really sustainable.

It has to be really questioned what the indigenous population get in return. The economic benefits of mass migration are marginal at best on gdp per head basis. So really you are asking people to put up with a lower quality of life, and to feel like a foreigner in their own country in many areas, for no benefit in return.

There is a very good case for highly skilled immigration and to fill gaps in essential public services, but that would not produce migration levels that we have seen since 1997.

[powerstroke]

Countdown said:

markcoznottz said:

Countdown said:

markcoznottz said:

Would you not want to go back to pre 2001? You would be earning more and it would be easier to pull work in . Why the fk should I care about wether polish plumbers are 'hard workers' let Poland find them work.

If you are any good at your job why are you worried about the Poles ?

This is the uk why should I have to match an eastern European labour rate.

I don't understand. Why should I pay you more just because (I assume) you're British?

markcoznottz said:

They can charge peanuts and still use all our infrastructure. Brilliant. How many immigrants employ paye staff? Not many il bet. So they DO take our jobs despite what the liberal establishment say.

it's not just your infrastructure, it's mine as well Rather than protectionism I'd suggest doing a better job for a fair price if you want to compete.

Yes Rent and share a house with 4or 5 mates spend as little as possible and do a second job cash in hand for a few years save up like mad go back home to a low cost economy and buy a house for cash.. sorted

[markcoznottz]

Countdown said:

markcoznottz said:

Countdown said:

markcoznottz said:

Would you not want to go back to pre 2001? You would be earning more and it would be easier to pull work in . Why the fk should I care about wether polish plumbers are 'hard workers' let Poland find them work.

If you are any good at your job why are you worried about the Poles ?

This is the uk why should I have to match an eastern European labour rate.

I don't understand. Why should I pay you more just because (I assume) you're British?

markcoznottz said:

They can charge peanuts and still use all our infrastructure. Brilliant. How many immigrants employ paye staff? Not many il bet. So they DO take our jobs despite what the liberal establishment say.

it's not just your infrastructure, it's mine as well Rather than protectionism I'd suggest doing a better job for a fair price if you want to compete.

You actively encourage the downward pressure on uk wages? Even in a time of rising utilities and inflation? What is your motivation for this? You are a afaics, are you suggesting British tradesman should sleep 8 to a house? What nationality are you?.

[TheHeretic]

markcoznottz said:

You actively encourage the downward pressure on uk wages? Even in a time of rising utilities and inflation? What is your motivation for this? You are a afaics, are you suggesting British tradesman should sleep 8 to a house? What nationality are you?.

You read the daily mail, and rectors, don't you? Do you understand capitalism, market forces, etc?

[rb5er]

Meridius said:

This is planet Earth, you should be allowed to go wherever you like.

What a stupid thing to say.

If everyone from just one large country tried to come to Britain we would be totally screwed in every way. Our culture and infrastructure attained over many generations by our ancestors would be rendered obselete.

We are a small, overpopulated island.

[TheHeretic]

rb5er said:

What a stupid thing to say.

If everyone from just one large country tried to come to Britain we would be totally screwed in every way. Our culture and infrastructure attained over many generations by our ancestors would be rendered obselete.

We are a small, overpopulated island.

You assume everyone wants to move to Britain!

[rb5er]

Have you been to London recently?

With immigration levels continuing as they are this scenario will become a reality anyway.

If everyone from every other continent was given the green light to head to Britain it would quickly speed up the process.

[Halb]

rb5er said:

If everyone from every other continent was given the green light to head to Britain it would quickly speed up the process.

That is in Labour's manifesto isn't it?

[cymtriks]

Amazing how people try to avoid this issue by playing the race card.

Time for some awkward questions which have nothing to do with race at all:

• Where are millions of extra people going to live? Which green belts, flood plains, ancient heaths or woodlands will have to go to build the houses? Remember we are talking about several extra cities the size of Birmingham. Remember that this will be on top of the housing problems that we already have.

• Which valleys will have to be flooded to make new reservoirs? Answer the question and let's hear the views of the people who live there.

• We are told that it's a good thing because there are so many immigrant experts. Are there actually more doctors and scientists per head among immigrants than among those already here? If not then this is a false argument as they won't even be covering their own needs. If true then why isn't our really great (as evidenced by those stunning A level grades) education system generating our own experts? Is it ethical or sustainable to import more and more experts from abroad while failing to deal with our own inability to nurture enough ourselves?

• The work ethic issue keeps being mentioned. Why is this so noticeable? Why is the only solution to import workers from abroad? Why won't we correct something so obviously wrong with our systems?

• When assimilation is complete (don't hold your breath) what makes you think that the work ethic we hear so much about will still be there? After all the only solution is to give up on our own and import people. If it isn't the only solution then why are we still importing workers on this pretext after so long?

• Given that it takes a long time and a lot of money to plan and build new roads, schools and hospitals how will our existing services cope until the the new worker's taxes start to work through the system. Will more debt be required? More PFI? Higher taxes for those already here to fill the gap? Remember that this is a rolling problem, not a one off event.

• How much population is enough? 70 Million? 80 Million? 100 Million?

• Why can't we have a "one in - one out" or even "one in - two out" policy?

[Use Psychology]

i think genocide is the organised slaughter, it's not like, i dunno, going round someone's house and finding yourself in the kitchen outnumbered by cats.

[markcoznottz]

TheHeretic said:

You read the daily mail, and rectors, don't you? Do you understand capitalism, market forces, etc?

We can trade with who we want, doesn't mean we have to let all and sundry in. Try that in the USA or Australia, they have strict criteria, how do I benefit from eastern Europeans working here ? That's not capitalism it's positive discrimination against the better funded eu countries.

[markcoznottz]

We've already had the predictable daily mail and race cards bandied about, let's ask these people so keen on immigration, how in a concise way does uncontrolled immigration help the average uk worker, because I would love to know.

[rohrl]

Genocide? That's truly a startlingly fking ignorant thing to say.

[Lost_BMW]

The thing that bugs me is that so many of these immigrants coming here are racist...

[Lost_BMW]

Victor McDade said:

markcoznottz said:

Meridius said:

This is planet Earth, you should be allowed to go wherever you like.

Yes it's great having an immigrant workforce come in and undercut your trade. I'm guessing that hasn't happened to you?

If they're able to undercut you and match the quality of work then perhaps your prices were too high to start with?

Edited by Victor McDade on Saturday 30th June 00:43

My agency is just starting to bring in children from India and China - many very experienced in production line manufacture, textiles etc. even at 7 years of age - for hire to business here, at very low rates.

That is OK isn't it?

[TheHeretic]

Are you saying your agency is importing 7 year olds to work in the textile industry?

[Lost_BMW]

TheHeretic said:

Are you saying your agency is importing 7 year olds to work in the textile industry?

Yes, but they don't have to be seven. It's amazing how productive a 5 year old can be with the right motivation.


As the erudite poster above noted, why should a business pay more in production costs just to match a white, British adult worker?



Cheap at half the age price.

[Halb]

Lost_BMW said:

Yes, but they don't have to be seven. It's amazing how productive a 5 year old can be with the right motivation.


As the erudite poster above noted, why should a business pay more in production costs just to match a white, British adult worker?



Cheap at half the age price.

You fool.
I plan to import some 3 year old brown kids. I'll outdo you yet!