Fingerprinting at UK airports?

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Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Deva Link said:
Slaav said:
If I travel 12 times (I live in Glos) I assume they may get all my fingerprints?
If you've got 12 fingers then I don't think there would be much trouble identifying you anyway!
Polydactyly is actually quite common, although the extra digits are usually removed in early childhood.

XCP

16,938 posts

229 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Deva Link said:
They decided to focus resources on fingerprinting kids at school. wink
That's nothing. I had my photo taken at school. It's a conspiracy...

Starfighter

4,930 posts

179 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Einion Yrth said:
Deva Link said:
Slaav said:
If I travel 12 times (I live in Glos) I assume they may get all my fingerprints?
If you've got 12 fingers then I don't think there would be much trouble identifying you anyway!
Polydactyly is actually quite common, although the extra digits are usually removed in early childhood.
I would think the issue is less of a problem in Gloucester than in the Forest where they had to change the law so divorsees can still be brother and sister.
Imigrant to Gloucestershire from Yorkshire

Slaav

4,255 posts

211 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Starfighter said:
I would think the issue is less of a problem in Gloucester than in the Forest where they had to change the law so divorsees can still be brother and sister.
Imigrant to Gloucestershire from Yorkshire
In the Forest, isn't it compulsory for Divorcees to be brother and sister?


(at least you got my joke smile)

Art0ir

9,402 posts

171 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Deva Link said:
They decided to focus resources on fingerprinting kids at school. wink
I haven't really slept in two days and misread "fingerprinting" for a split second nono

Bohally

943 posts

148 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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cwis said:
An airport is a public place though. If the finger printing helps crack down on drug smugglers or some towel head who's intent on blowing us up then I don't see the issue.

Art0ir

9,402 posts

171 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Bohally said:
An airport is a public place though. If the finger printing helps crack down on drug smugglers or some towel head who's intent on blowing us up then I don't see the issue.
"Those who would sacrifice a little liberty for a little safety deserve neither"

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Art0ir said:
Bohally said:
An airport is a public place though. If the finger printing helps crack down on drug smugglers or some towel head who's intent on blowing us up then I don't see the issue.
"Those who would sacrifice a little liberty for a little safety deserve neither"
very good but what liberty am i sacrificing by being finger printed? it just confirms i am who the passport says i am. how is it any different to there being a photo in the passport?

Bohally

943 posts

148 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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fbrs said:
very good but what liberty am i sacrificing by being finger printed? it just confirms i am who the passport says i am. how is it any different to there being a photo in the passport?
Exactly,

I bet half the people moaning about it have the "chip" in their passport that tracks them anyway.

Oakey

27,593 posts

217 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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Bohally said:
If you've got nothing to hide I don't see the problem...
Aww, bless..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_McKie

Wiki said:
Shirley McKie is a former Scottish police detective who was accused by fingerprint analysis staff of the Scottish Criminal Record Office (SCRO) of leaving her thumb print on the bathroom door frame of a murder crime-scene in Kilmarnock on 14 January 1997. [1][2] She denied she had ever been in the house of murder victim Marion Ross, but Detective Constable McKie was initially suspended, then sacked, then arrested by Strathclyde Police in 1998, and tried and acquitted in 1999.

Engineer1

10,486 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th July 2012
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fbrs said:
Art0ir said:
Bohally said:
An airport is a public place though. If the finger printing helps crack down on drug smugglers or some towel head who's intent on blowing us up then I don't see the issue.
"Those who would sacrifice a little liberty for a little safety deserve neither"
very good but what liberty am i sacrificing by being finger printed? it just confirms i am who the passport says i am. how is it any different to there being a photo in the passport?
Now being randomly fingerprinted in day to day life is giving up a liberty, applying some extra identity checking prior to voluntarily flying out of the country is a somewhat different prospect.

Tafia

Original Poster:

2,658 posts

249 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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I guess the next step could be to microchip us all at birth.

Those given powers over us will always abuse it.

Art0ir

9,402 posts

171 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Tafia said:
I guess the next step could be to microchip us all at birth.

Those given powers over us will always abuse it.
But sure there's nothing wrong with that if you've nothing to do hide

oyster

12,608 posts

249 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Bohally said:
If you've got nothing to hide I don't see the problem...
Really?
Are you 100% sure you have absolutely nothing to hide?

Nothing?

No skeletons in your closet at all?

Have you never done 31 in a 30?

Really?


Because if you have, then you're admitting you're quite happy to be tracked down and prosecuted. After all, as you say, you have nothing to hide.

iphonedyou

9,255 posts

158 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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AndrewW-G said:
A bdisation of the Joseph Goebbels quotation "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"

Defending the erosion of privacy and civil liberties, by quoting a NAZI who was responsible for the death of millions of innocent people, is a tad telling.
Your deliberate misattribution is much, much more telling, frankly.

Astacus

3,384 posts

235 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Art0ir said:
But sure there's nothing wrong with that if you've nothing to do hide
I so hope this is a Malapropism

XCP

16,938 posts

229 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Oakey said:
Bohally said:
If you've got nothing to hide I don't see the problem...
Aww, bless..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_McKie

Wiki said:
Shirley McKie is a former Scottish police detective who was accused by fingerprint analysis staff of the Scottish Criminal Record Office (SCRO) of leaving her thumb print on the bathroom door frame of a murder crime-scene in Kilmarnock on 14 January 1997. [1][2] She denied she had ever been in the house of murder victim Marion Ross, but Detective Constable McKie was initially suspended, then sacked, then arrested by Strathclyde Police in 1998, and tried and acquitted in 1999.
How is this relevant?

PoleDriver

28,645 posts

195 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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For the last few years I have been flying, on average, twice a month. The only time I've ever had fingerprints taken when going into USA. Even then it was done electronically, so no inky fingers involved.
Pointless thread is pointless! frown

Oakey

27,593 posts

217 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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Really? You aren't somewhat concerned how her fingerprint came to be at the scene of a murder in a house she'd never been in? And you can't see how the authoritites having everyones fingerprints regardless of whether they are criminals or not might be a problem given the above?

ETA: It's worth noting that despite her being aquitted, they refused to admit they'd made a mistake until 2011 when they finally apologised;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...

Edited by Oakey on Friday 6th July 10:08

cwis

1,159 posts

180 months

Friday 6th July 2012
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A pub is a public place as well. I take it you have no objections to being fingerprinted going in there too?


It's a slippery slope - I guess that's the point I'm trying to make.

I'd rather live in a slightly less secure world (you're more likely to be struck by lightning that blown up) than a totalistic surveillance society.

Bohally said:
An airport is a public place though. If the finger printing helps crack down on drug smugglers or some towel head who's intent on blowing us up then I don't see the issue.