bloody weather!
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http://video.ak.fbcdn.net/cfs-ak-snc7/v/438150/31/...gda=1341557280_4c3474feaa16fba0e92382cfac0cbbcb
Dunno if that link will work (posting from my phone) but under that water is the a76 at the bellsbank interchange/ q8 garage. Video is from yesterday.
Dunno if that link will work (posting from my phone) but under that water is the a76 at the bellsbank interchange/ q8 garage. Video is from yesterday.
DickHerpes said:
Maybe, however you HAVE got to admit that you've never seen rain/snow/hail/sunshine like THIS before?
I've seen it plenty of times. These examples spring immediately to mind.A few years ago one December I took my two black and white dogs out wearing a black leather jacket (that's me, not the dogs). I'd never seen thunder and lighting with snow before but 20 minutes into the walk that's what happened. I came back with two white dogs and a white coat
A funnel cloud touched down a few hundred yards down the road from me a couple of years ago. Two walls and a tree on the deck down there, just a strong wind at my place.
Some West Country members might remember July 9th 1968, when Bristol had 7 inches of rain in less than that number of hours. I remember it - I was out on my motorbike on L-plates at the time.
Yup, seen it all before
rs1952 said:
I've seen it plenty of times. These examples spring immediately to mind.
A few years ago one December I took my two black and white dogs out wearing a black leather jacket (that's me, not the dogs). I'd never seen thunder and lighting with snow before but 20 minutes into the walk that's what happened. I came back with two white dogs and a white coat
A funnel cloud touched down a few hundred yards down the road from me a couple of years ago. Two walls and a tree on the deck down there, just a strong wind at my place.
Some West Country members might remember July 9th 1968, when Bristol had 7 inches of rain in less than that number of hours. I remember it - I was out on my motorbike on L-plates at the time.
Yup, seen it all before
That's all anecdotal and while I don't want to engage in scaremongering, the facts are that we are witnessing more extreme patterns of weather with records being broken for dry and wet spells over the last few years. It could well be that we are just going through a cycle of unusual patterns and it has nothing to do with global warming, but don't start telling us that you've seen it all before because put frankly, we haven't.A few years ago one December I took my two black and white dogs out wearing a black leather jacket (that's me, not the dogs). I'd never seen thunder and lighting with snow before but 20 minutes into the walk that's what happened. I came back with two white dogs and a white coat
A funnel cloud touched down a few hundred yards down the road from me a couple of years ago. Two walls and a tree on the deck down there, just a strong wind at my place.
Some West Country members might remember July 9th 1968, when Bristol had 7 inches of rain in less than that number of hours. I remember it - I was out on my motorbike on L-plates at the time.
Yup, seen it all before
Blue62 said:
rs1952 said:
I've seen it plenty of times. These examples spring immediately to mind.
A few years ago one December I took my two black and white dogs out wearing a black leather jacket (that's me, not the dogs). I'd never seen thunder and lighting with snow before but 20 minutes into the walk that's what happened. I came back with two white dogs and a white coat
A funnel cloud touched down a few hundred yards down the road from me a couple of years ago. Two walls and a tree on the deck down there, just a strong wind at my place.
Some West Country members might remember July 9th 1968, when Bristol had 7 inches of rain in less than that number of hours. I remember it - I was out on my motorbike on L-plates at the time.
Yup, seen it all before
That's all anecdotal and while I don't want to engage in scaremongering, the facts are that we are witnessing more extreme patterns of weather with records being broken for dry and wet spells over the last few years.A few years ago one December I took my two black and white dogs out wearing a black leather jacket (that's me, not the dogs). I'd never seen thunder and lighting with snow before but 20 minutes into the walk that's what happened. I came back with two white dogs and a white coat
A funnel cloud touched down a few hundred yards down the road from me a couple of years ago. Two walls and a tree on the deck down there, just a strong wind at my place.
Some West Country members might remember July 9th 1968, when Bristol had 7 inches of rain in less than that number of hours. I remember it - I was out on my motorbike on L-plates at the time.
Yup, seen it all before
Bouziotas et al "Analysis of trends and of aggregated time series on climatic (30-year) scale does not indicate consistent trends worldwide. Despite common perception, in general, the detected trends are more negative (less intense floods in most recent years) than positive.
My emphasis.
UK Climate Projection document from DEFRA said:
there continues to be little evidence that the recent increase in storminess over the UK is related to man-made climate changes
The same source also said:
the frequency of drought episodes in England and Wales…..shows no clear trend over the period 1776-2006
James Dent FRMetS C.Met C.Env said:
Climate change models do not directly model precipitation and cannot resolve extreme events...why are the powers that be being duplicitous?
See also Indur GoklanyBlue62 said:
It could well be that we are just going through a cycle of unusual patterns and it has nothing to do with global warming, but don't start telling us that you've seen it all before because put frankly, we haven't.
OK in one sense, as we've seen worse before.On the 29th of May 1912 nearly five inches of rain fell in three hours near the town of Louth in Lincolnshire. The flood-water practically razed the town and killed 22 people. Even more spectacular was the deluge that occurred three months later in Norfolk when Brundall, near Norwich, experienced more than eight inches of rain on one highly memorable August day. Much of Norfolk was still under water six months later. And on August 15 that year, a depression moving up the Bristol Channel deposited nine inches of rain over Exmoor, spawning the lethal flood that nearly washed away the village of Lynmouth where more than 30 people were killed. The record for rainfall in one 24-hour period occurred on July 18, 1955, when nearly twelve inches of rain fell on parts of Dorset.
The mean temperature of the global lower troposphere at the start of 2012 was virtually identical to the temperature at the start of 1980, and the temperature now is little different to that experienced in 1987 and 1991.
The 2010 peak isn't (yet) labelled as El Nino but that's what it was.
While there is no basis for the usual explanation of extreme weather events in terms of manmadeup global warming, there is an expectation of more extreme weather in periods of global cooling where the temperature differential from poles to equator increases.
Meanwhile chaotic shifts in the jet stream will continue to happen despite hot air from alarmists in newspapers.
superkartracer said:
^^ agreed, something is very wrong with the weather at the moment.
The opposite's happening in the States - they're stuck with high pressure,us with low.Jet Stream is being prevented from functioning normally by something I don't understand so both the States and us are enjoying extremes of weather.
Good for the grass though.
goldblum said:
turbobloke said:
It's chaotic behaviour.
So, define 'normal' as these episodes happen normally.
Nothing to do with lemonade fizz from PHers' cars.
Nope Sky news weathergirl just said it's not normal jetstream fluctuation,and she's a professional.So, define 'normal' as these episodes happen normally.
Nothing to do with lemonade fizz from PHers' cars.
I seem to not remember reading how TV weather persons got a detailed briefing recently on the eddy driving and thermal driving of jet streams along with the discretisation problem in modelling. Meanwhile...
Most of Norfolk under water for six months starting in August (1912) including eight inches of rain in one day, but we haven't seen anything like this bit of wet and windy weather before? Such a claim is pure b
ks.Macklin et al (2005) identifies extreme flooding events covering the whole of Great Britain which occurred 11170, 5740, 4850, 4530, 3550, 2740, 2550, 2290, 1960, 1300, 670, and 580 years ago, with intervals given here corrected from the 2005 date of publication and rounded to the nearest ten years The paper abstract states ". In all regions large variations in flood frequency and magnitude occurred ...and indicate an underlying climatic control."
Buy Damart, candles, and rubber boots.
But (in the UK at least) the pattern is highly unusual this year, which is not to say that there are no precedents, but we've just had the wettest (and dullest) June since records began, the wettest April and the wettest April to June period. Most understand that this is down to the jet stream and that we need a good hurricane to shift it, but it is not right to suggest that people's concerns are unfounded.
Eric Mc said:
Borghetto said:
Our local water company Veolia Central still think's we're suffering a drought. Weather forecast is for a months rain tomorrow, but we can still not use hosepipes.
Sounds like you don't need to anyway.Blue62 said:
But (in the UK at least) the pattern is highly unusual this year, which is not to say that there are no precedents, but we've just had the wettest (and dullest) June since records began, the wettest April and the wettest April to June period. Most understand that this is down to the jet stream and that we need a good hurricane to shift it, but it is not right to suggest that people's concerns are unfounded.
May be the wettest June, but I cannot think that June 2007 was too far behind. I can clearly remebmer the disruption it caused our industry and the way in which it rained - less big downpours at a time, but more just huge cloud masses and steady, persistent rain.A friend who flys (for fun, in a Yak 52) reckoned the only time he'd ever seen similar cloud mass was over the Midwestern US states.
Blue62 said:
rs1952 said:
I've seen it plenty of times. These examples spring immediately to mind.
A few years ago one December I took my two black and white dogs out wearing a black leather jacket (that's me, not the dogs). I'd never seen thunder and lighting with snow before but 20 minutes into the walk that's what happened. I came back with two white dogs and a white coat
A funnel cloud touched down a few hundred yards down the road from me a couple of years ago. Two walls and a tree on the deck down there, just a strong wind at my place.
Some West Country members might remember July 9th 1968, when Bristol had 7 inches of rain in less than that number of hours. I remember it - I was out on my motorbike on L-plates at the time.
Yup, seen it all before
That's all anecdotal and while I don't want to engage in scaremongering, the facts are that we are witnessing more extreme patterns of weather with records being broken for dry and wet spells over the last few years. It could well be that we are just going through a cycle of unusual patterns and it has nothing to do with global warming, but don't start telling us that you've seen it all before because put frankly, we haven't.A few years ago one December I took my two black and white dogs out wearing a black leather jacket (that's me, not the dogs). I'd never seen thunder and lighting with snow before but 20 minutes into the walk that's what happened. I came back with two white dogs and a white coat
A funnel cloud touched down a few hundred yards down the road from me a couple of years ago. Two walls and a tree on the deck down there, just a strong wind at my place.
Some West Country members might remember July 9th 1968, when Bristol had 7 inches of rain in less than that number of hours. I remember it - I was out on my motorbike on L-plates at the time.
Yup, seen it all before
Here's some evidence for you:http://www.bristolpast.co.uk/#/flood-of-68/4546912...
http://www.picturesofengland.com/England/tour/Engl...
Here's a few more:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/a...
http://www.thamesweb.com/1953-floods.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1998/wat...
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