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calibrax
2,944 posts
80 months
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BrabusMog said: Just read it myself, why on earth is Stephen Lawrence's mother there in the public gallery?! Because when racism is the issue, people always pile onto the bandwagon.
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Randy Winkman
1,990 posts
58 months
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calibrax said: BrabusMog said: Just read it myself, why on earth is Stephen Lawrence's mother there in the public gallery?! Because when racism is the issue, people always pile onto the bandwagon. Er ..... it's the "public" gallery.
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obob
2,986 posts
63 months
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Thom987 said: Why not? Are they not both similar cases, so they should have been dealt with in the same way? No idea, maybe they thought they couldn't prove what Suarez said as it was he said she said whereas this has video evidence.
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Haggleburyfinius
3,284 posts
55 months
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I suspect there is a generational gap polarising the opinions of neutral observers on this issue.
I am thirty, so a similar age to both players and know full well that it is unacceptable to speak about someone's race in this way.
My parents think it is a storm in a teacup.
My mother cannot understand why my half Nigerian girlfriend gets offended by being called "half caste" for instance.
Anything but a guilty verdict will put back race relations by years imho.
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mattnunn
4,091 posts
30 months
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Haggleburyfinius said: I suspect there is a generational gap polarising the opinions of neutral observers on this issue.
I am thirty, so a similar age to both players and know full well that it is unacceptable to speak about someone's race in this way.
My parents think it is a storm in a teacup.
My mother cannot understand why my half Nigerian girlfriend gets offended by being called "half caste" for instance.
Anything but a guilty verdict will put back race relations by years imho. I'm 35 and my parents are by far more PC than I am and I'm pretty PC. Perhaps your mum is just a racist?
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Haggleburyfinius
3,284 posts
55 months
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mattnunn said: I'm 35 and my parents are by far more PC than I am and I'm pretty PC.
Perhaps your mum is just a racist? Haha maybe she is :-) She thinks racism is wrong etc but just thinks that everyone should be thicker skinned and not be bothered by what other people think. An attitude that only someone who has never experienced racism towards them personally can take, I think.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,037 posts
19 months
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Haggleburyfinius said: Anything but a guilty verdict will put back race relations by years imho. What if he isn't guilty?
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mattnunn
4,091 posts
30 months
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Haggleburyfinius said: mattnunn said: I'm 35 and my parents are by far more PC than I am and I'm pretty PC.
Perhaps your mum is just a racist? Haha maybe she is :-) She thinks racism is wrong etc but just thinks that everyone should be thicker skinned and not be bothered by what other people think. An attitude that only someone who has never experienced racism towards them personally can take, I think. Tell her to shut her fat hormonal mouth and shave her moustache, see how thick skinned she is about that. (Apologies, I don't suggest your mother has a moustache, I think you understand the point)
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Oakey
13,697 posts
85 months
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Randy Winkman said: Er ..... it's the "public" gallery. Does she turn up to the public gallery when it's some skiprat smackhead up on a shoplifting charge or only the high profile cases?
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calibrax
2,944 posts
80 months
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Oakey said: Randy Winkman said: Er ..... it's the "public" gallery. Does she turn up to the public gallery when it's some skiprat smackhead up on a shoplifting charge or only the high profile cases? Exactly. She's there more to get noticed by the media than for the actual trial. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if one of the newspapers had paid her to be there, knowing the dubious underhand tactics they employ to create an "interesting angle" to a story...
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mattnunn
4,091 posts
30 months
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calibrax said: Oakey said: Randy Winkman said: Er ..... it's the "public" gallery. Does she turn up to the public gallery when it's some skiprat smackhead up on a shoplifting charge or only the high profile cases? Exactly. She's there more to get noticed by the media than for the actual trial. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if one of the newspapers had paid her to be there, knowing the dubious underhand tactics they employ to create an "interesting angle" to a story... FFS her son got murdered by a racist(s), she lives in London, I doubt she works, what is wrong with you people, leave the old girl alone.
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Hackney
1,737 posts
77 months
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Haggleburyfinius said: I suspect there is a generational gap polarising the opinions of neutral observers on this issue.
I am thirty, so a similar age to both players and know full well that it is unacceptable to speak about someone's race in this way.
My parents think it is a storm in a teacup.
My mother cannot understand why my half Nigerian girlfriend gets offended by being called "half caste" for instance.
Anything but a guilty verdict will put back race relations by years imho. Even if that means finding an innocent man guilty? While the film supposedly shows Terry saying what ever he said, his defence is that he was saying, "I never called you XXXXXXX" If that's true then - as much as I hate John Terry - he can't be found guilty.
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TwigtheWonderkid
6,037 posts
19 months
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I think Doreen Lawrence is involved with various anti racism organisations, so she was probably there in that capacity.
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Randy Winkman
1,990 posts
58 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: I think Doreen Lawrence is involved with various anti racism organisations, so she was probably there in that capacity. Exactly - shame some people on here don't have computers or they could find out that in seconds.
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DickHerpes
818 posts
28 months
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TwigtheWonderkid said: You may be right, but I don't think you can find someone guilty based on the look on their face! That's just supposition.
When that girl was murdered in Bristol a couple of years back, the landlord was hung out to dry because "he looked the type." Turns out it was nothing to do with him. Even by PH standards that's spurious. Looking weird and subsequently being branded a murderer in the press is no way comparable to calling someone 'A black  ' with a snarl on your face and people reaching the conclusion that you racially abused the recipient. Nothing will come of this but not because Terry didn't racially abuse him.
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DickHerpes
818 posts
28 months
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mattnunn said: FFS her son got murdered by a racist(s), she lives in London, I doubt she works, what is wrong with you people, leave the old girl alone. Bet she's got a plasma telly though. f king Gordon Brown.
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Ozzie Osmond
12,079 posts
115 months
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Haggleburyfinius said: My mother cannot understand why my half Nigerian girlfriend gets offended by being called "half caste" for instance. What expression do you use?
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heppers75
2,281 posts
86 months
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Ozzie Osmond said: Haggleburyfinius said: My mother cannot understand why my half Nigerian girlfriend gets offended by being called "half caste" for instance. What expression do you use? Actually more importantly what is considered "right"... Our son, five years old and he talks about his friends day in day out, he happens to have two with the same name one of whom is Caucasian and one of whom is Asian, they are called amongst the kids Brown Freddy and White Freddy, the teachers, parents and kids have zero problem with this.... Some people genuinely need to get the f**k over themselves and stop getting offended by crap that does not matter! Frankly if a group of five year olds get this then those that don't need to take a long hard look at themselves!
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rohrl
3,717 posts
14 months
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heppers75 said: Actually more importantly what is considered "right"...
Our son, five years old and he talks about his friends day in day out, he happens to have two with the same name one of whom is Caucasian and one of whom is Asian, they are called amongst the kids Brown Freddy and White Freddy, the teachers, parents and kids have zero problem with this.... Some people genuinely need to get the f**k over themselves and stop getting offended by crap that does not matter! Frankly if a group of five year olds get this then those that don't need to take a long hard look at themselves! The five year olds aren't making a value judgment in their use of the words white and brown as describers. Inherent in racist insults is the assumption that the target is innately inferior. They're different things.
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heppers75
2,281 posts
86 months
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rohrl said: heppers75 said: Actually more importantly what is considered "right"...
Our son, five years old and he talks about his friends day in day out, he happens to have two with the same name one of whom is Caucasian and one of whom is Asian, they are called amongst the kids Brown Freddy and White Freddy, the teachers, parents and kids have zero problem with this.... Some people genuinely need to get the f**k over themselves and stop getting offended by crap that does not matter! Frankly if a group of five year olds get this then those that don't need to take a long hard look at themselves! The five year olds aren't making a value judgment in their use of the words white and brown as describers. Inherent in racist insults is the assumption that the target is innately inferior. They're different things. And the assumption that everyone who makes a statement that uses a skin tone descriptor is doing so as a value judgement simply based on the arbitrary factor of age is inherently and equally if not more wrong, IMO.
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