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What ever happened to "Free Market enterprise"?
It appears to be working OK here?
Why do the Farmers not like "Free Market enterprise"?
They voted for the Tory's so be happy!
Also lets not forget the "Decades" that these "Poor" farmers have been receiving the (Benefit handouts) "EU subsidies", which I find very odd them being Tory's and all. I am surprised that they actually accepted the "Benefit Handouts"though. I guess at a squint one could say they are not to disimilar to the "working Tax credits" in as much they are both "Handouts" & both set of people have to work to get them
... Oh hang on silly me the Farmers get the "Handout(Benefits that we pay for in our taxes)for not working the fields ,to leave them fallow, Mmm not exactly following the Tory ideology really, but hey ho not to worry.
Did make me chuckle when the Gov stepped in to help though, I mean again that haunting Tory mantra springs to mind "Free Market enterprise", another surprising thing about these benefit claiming Farmers was they were allowed to "Blockade" someone's' place of work in such a way as to stop that company from functioning so it & its employee's can earn a wage to pay their mortgage etc etc. Now I may have this wrong but I assumed the law would intervene here as they (to me) should be classed as "Flying Pickets" because they do not actually work at the site they are blockading, therfore no more than a group of 5 are allowed. That is the LAW! You must REMEMBER what Dave said farmers: "We are all in this together" & yes farmers your vote did count !!
It appears to be working OK here?
Why do the Farmers not like "Free Market enterprise"?
They voted for the Tory's so be happy!
Also lets not forget the "Decades" that these "Poor" farmers have been receiving the (Benefit handouts) "EU subsidies", which I find very odd them being Tory's and all. I am surprised that they actually accepted the "Benefit Handouts"though. I guess at a squint one could say they are not to disimilar to the "working Tax credits" in as much they are both "Handouts" & both set of people have to work to get them
... Oh hang on silly me the Farmers get the "Handout(Benefits that we pay for in our taxes)for not working the fields ,to leave them fallow, Mmm not exactly following the Tory ideology really, but hey ho not to worry.Did make me chuckle when the Gov stepped in to help though, I mean again that haunting Tory mantra springs to mind "Free Market enterprise", another surprising thing about these benefit claiming Farmers was they were allowed to "Blockade" someone's' place of work in such a way as to stop that company from functioning so it & its employee's can earn a wage to pay their mortgage etc etc. Now I may have this wrong but I assumed the law would intervene here as they (to me) should be classed as "Flying Pickets" because they do not actually work at the site they are blockading, therfore no more than a group of 5 are allowed. That is the LAW! You must REMEMBER what Dave said farmers: "We are all in this together" & yes farmers your vote did count !!
good40 said:
What ever happened to "Free Market enterprise"?
It appears to be working OK here?
Why do the Farmers not like "Free Market enterprise"?
They voted for the Tory's so be happy!
Also lets not forget the "Decades" that these "Poor" farmers have been receiving the (Benefit handouts) "EU subsidies", which I find very odd them being Tory's and all. I am surprised that they actually accepted the "Benefit Handouts"though. I guess at a squint one could say they are not to disimilar to the "working Tax credits" in as much they are both "Handouts" & both set of people have to work to get them... Oh hang on silly me the Farmers get the "Handout(Benefits that we pay for in our taxes)for not working the fields ,to leave them fallow, Mmm not exactly following the Tory ideology really, but hey ho not to worry.
Did make me chuckle when the Gov stepped in to help though, I mean again that haunting Tory mantra springs to mind "Free Market enterprise", another surprising thing about these benefit claiming Farmers was they were allowed to "Blockade" someone's' place of work in such a way as to stop that company from functioning so it & its employee's can earn a wage to pay their mortgage etc etc. Now I may have this wrong but I assumed the law would intervene here as they (to me) should be classed as "Flying Pickets" because they do not actually work at the site they are blockading, therfore no more than a group of 5 are allowed. That is the LAW! You must REMEMBER what Dave said farmers: "We are all in this together" & yes farmers your vote did count !!
Spectacularly uninformed post.It appears to be working OK here?
Why do the Farmers not like "Free Market enterprise"?
They voted for the Tory's so be happy!
Also lets not forget the "Decades" that these "Poor" farmers have been receiving the (Benefit handouts) "EU subsidies", which I find very odd them being Tory's and all. I am surprised that they actually accepted the "Benefit Handouts"though. I guess at a squint one could say they are not to disimilar to the "working Tax credits" in as much they are both "Handouts" & both set of people have to work to get them
... Oh hang on silly me the Farmers get the "Handout(Benefits that we pay for in our taxes)for not working the fields ,to leave them fallow, Mmm not exactly following the Tory ideology really, but hey ho not to worry.Did make me chuckle when the Gov stepped in to help though, I mean again that haunting Tory mantra springs to mind "Free Market enterprise", another surprising thing about these benefit claiming Farmers was they were allowed to "Blockade" someone's' place of work in such a way as to stop that company from functioning so it & its employee's can earn a wage to pay their mortgage etc etc. Now I may have this wrong but I assumed the law would intervene here as they (to me) should be classed as "Flying Pickets" because they do not actually work at the site they are blockading, therfore no more than a group of 5 are allowed. That is the LAW! You must REMEMBER what Dave said farmers: "We are all in this together" & yes farmers your vote did count !!
When people evidently don't have the first clue about the subject matter, I wish they'd just do everyone else a favour and keep their gobs shut, or go and comment on the Daily Mail's site about the cast of TOWIE or something.
At least I wouldn't have to read bulls
t like this!good40 said:
What ever happened to "Free Market enterprise"?
It appears to be working OK here?
Why do the Farmers not like "Free Market enterprise"?
They voted for the Tory's so be happy!
Also lets not forget the "Decades" that these "Poor" farmers have been receiving the (Benefit handouts) "EU subsidies", which I find very odd them being Tory's and all. I am surprised that they actually accepted the "Benefit Handouts"though. I guess at a squint one could say they are not to disimilar to the "working Tax credits" in as much they are both "Handouts" & both set of people have to work to get them... Oh hang on silly me the Farmers get the "Handout(Benefits that we pay for in our taxes)for not working the fields ,to leave them fallow, Mmm not exactly following the Tory ideology really, but hey ho not to worry.
Did make me chuckle when the Gov stepped in to help though, I mean again that haunting Tory mantra springs to mind "Free Market enterprise", another surprising thing about these benefit claiming Farmers was they were allowed to "Blockade" someone's' place of work in such a way as to stop that company from functioning so it & its employee's can earn a wage to pay their mortgage etc etc. Now I may have this wrong but I assumed the law would intervene here as they (to me) should be classed as "Flying Pickets" because they do not actually work at the site they are blockading, therfore no more than a group of 5 are allowed. That is the LAW! You must REMEMBER what Dave said farmers: "We are all in this together" & yes farmers your vote did count !!
Can I suggest you put down "Chippy Socialist Student" magazine and read up a bit more on a subject you're going to comment on. In this case, try something basic - "The Ladybird Book of Farming" perhaps.It appears to be working OK here?
Why do the Farmers not like "Free Market enterprise"?
They voted for the Tory's so be happy!
Also lets not forget the "Decades" that these "Poor" farmers have been receiving the (Benefit handouts) "EU subsidies", which I find very odd them being Tory's and all. I am surprised that they actually accepted the "Benefit Handouts"though. I guess at a squint one could say they are not to disimilar to the "working Tax credits" in as much they are both "Handouts" & both set of people have to work to get them
... Oh hang on silly me the Farmers get the "Handout(Benefits that we pay for in our taxes)for not working the fields ,to leave them fallow, Mmm not exactly following the Tory ideology really, but hey ho not to worry.Did make me chuckle when the Gov stepped in to help though, I mean again that haunting Tory mantra springs to mind "Free Market enterprise", another surprising thing about these benefit claiming Farmers was they were allowed to "Blockade" someone's' place of work in such a way as to stop that company from functioning so it & its employee's can earn a wage to pay their mortgage etc etc. Now I may have this wrong but I assumed the law would intervene here as they (to me) should be classed as "Flying Pickets" because they do not actually work at the site they are blockading, therfore no more than a group of 5 are allowed. That is the LAW! You must REMEMBER what Dave said farmers: "We are all in this together" & yes farmers your vote did count !!
Why don't the farmers club together and get into the dairy side of the supply chain then?
Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
Ozzie Osmond said:
Classic PH thread where all the usual free-market capitalist heroes suddenly want full protectionist measures for anything that relates to their lovely rose-tinted British traditions.
No, another thread where clueless idiots mouth off about things they know nothing about.Seriously, why are you still living here?
Ozzie Osmond said:
Classic PH thread where all the usual free-market capitalist heroes suddenly want full protectionist measures for anything that relates to their lovely rose-tinted British traditions.
Replace my bold with national food security and read it back to yourself.That is what we're potentially discussing.
How's that sound now?
oyster said:
Why don't the farmers club together and get into the dairy side of the supply chain then?
Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
The only people making money out of milk are the supermarkets,farmers are buying there own processors but the price is still dictated by the supermarkets.Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
dangerousB said:
national food security That is what we're potentially discussing.
How's that sound now?
TBH it sounds as though you are utterly clueless about what British people eat, how much of it they eat and where it comes from.How's that sound now?
The dream of UK as a self-sufficient haven was dead more than 50 years ago.
oyster said:
Why don't the farmers club together and get into the dairy side of the supply chain then?
Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
They just will not work together. They put forth this united front on the telly, but if one thought he could get a few pence/litre more for his milk he would sign up there and then. It has been ever thus.Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
Ozzie Osmond said:
TBH it sounds as though you are utterly clueless about what British people eat, how much of it they eat and where it comes from.
Not for the first time you're completely incorrect, but if you want to bring up the subject of utter cluelessness, I need no more than refer you to this pearl of wisdom:-Ozzie Osmond said:
Producer prices are low because farmers like farming and are willing to sell cheap.
Just out of interest, exactly how many farmers do you know? If you know any, what area of farming are they involved in?Ozzie Osmond said:
The dream of UK as a self-sufficient haven was dead more than 50 years ago.
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, but why do you think that has anything to do with food security?To have food security we don't have to be a "self sufficient haven" (whatever it is you take that to mean). We're never gonna grow our own mangoes and bananas are we, eh?
We do have to look after our staples though . . . milk being one of them.
Ozzie Osmond said:
TBH it sounds as though you are utterly clueless about what British people eat, how much of it they eat and where it comes from.
The dream of UK as a self-sufficient haven was dead more than 50 years ago.
Every post dripping with an equal measure of ignorance and arrogance.The dream of UK as a self-sufficient haven was dead more than 50 years ago.
He didn't say self-sufficient, he said food security. Which is what all those you've been happily trying to wind up are concerned about.
Carry on though, you're your own worst enemy and every time you post you make a bigger fool of yourself.
Willy Nilly said:
oyster said:
Why don't the farmers club together and get into the dairy side of the supply chain then?
Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
They just will not work together. They put forth this united front on the telly, but if one thought he could get a few pence/litre more for his milk he would sign up there and then. It has been ever thus.Robert Wiseman dairies recently sold for £280m. The Wiseman family picked up a cool £100m from the deal. There is a lot of money in milk. If people don't have the buisness skills to take a share of that market then why should we have sympathy?
I dunno about anyone else but I'd be more than happy to see 10p on a pint of milk if it meant a whole industry could survive and make a profit.
Guam said:
Marf said:
It does seem mad to me that some bright spark hasn't united all the dairy farmers in the UK under some kind of umbrella company whose sole purpose is to sell the milk on their behalf.
I dunno about anyone else but I'd be more than happy to see 10p on a pint of milk if it meant a whole industry could survive and make a profit.
What something like this you mean? I dunno about anyone else but I'd be more than happy to see 10p on a pint of milk if it meant a whole industry could survive and make a profit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_Marketing_Board
I dunno, perhaps this would fall at the first hurdle as it would be deemed a monopoly?
The Milk Marketing Board was ideologically suspect and practically incompatible with the EU system - it was replaced by the Milk Marque supply co-operative which the MMC decided was a monopoly. The situation is now reversed and the supermarket cartel set the prices.
The UK is more than capable of being self-sufficient in milk (we produced a surplus before quotas).
The UK is more than capable of being self-sufficient in milk (we produced a surplus before quotas).
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