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Soovy
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140 months
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Chrisw666 said: fido said: As said on another thread, nothing wrong with giving if it is reciprocated. How about some of these third-worldy places club together and send a billion towards teenage pregnancies in the UK. I thought Pakistan was helping with our teenage pregnancy rates? 
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Chrisw666
20,791 posts
68 months
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AJS-
9,973 posts
105 months
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According to lefty logic this is cheaper than giving them even more money when there's more of them in a few years time. With the assumption that giving away money is a universal constant.
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Justayellowbadge
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111 months
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The point is we give them 1 bil in 'aid' and they buy 5 bil worth of subs, fighters and air to air defence systems.
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Elroy Blue
5,678 posts
61 months
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Justayellowbadge said: The point is we give them 1 bil in 'aid' and they buy 5 bil worth of subs, fighters and air to air defence systems. But they don't.
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AJS-
9,973 posts
105 months
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Elroy Blue said: Justayellowbadge said: The point is we give them 1 bil in 'aid' and they buy 5 bil worth of subs, fighters and air to air defence systems. But they don't. And if they do we end up having to blow it up anyway, with the 20 bil worth that "we" just bought. As for "we" if you're on the multi billion pound foreign aid and military merry go round good luck to you, but I'm not so don't include me in that "we" when it comes to paying for it.
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Funk
13,066 posts
78 months
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Elroy Blue said: Justayellowbadge said: The point is we give them 1 bil in 'aid' and they buy 5 bil worth of subs, fighters and air to air defence systems. But they don't. Indeed. The ol' bait-and-switch...
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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I see the PH muppets are out in force with a 'you're socialist!!!!' complex whenever anybody points out a basic piece of maths. After all that is the default response from a PH'er whenever anybody says anything vaguely outside the uber-right-wing-stamp-on-the-poor-and-pull-their-eyes-out-with-a-spoon dogma. otolith said: Yes, I wasn't making a point about progressive taxation, I was saying that this decision amounts to a significant bill for many of the people reading this. Yes because the 1% club waste their time on here don't they  otolith said: How much of this money will go to India, a country with it's own Space program? I mentioned India a few pages ago but all of you were too busy calling me a socialist for pointing out a mathematical fact you probably didn't see it. The problem with India is it's own Government does not look after it's people so essentially we have to do it. There's money in India, enough to put things on the moon in fact but it doesn't get to where it's needed. I do wonder if we cut our Aid to India that might force the Indian authorities to put less of their money in space and more of it on the ground. fido said: How about some of these third-worldy places club together and send a billion towards teenage pregnancies in the UK. I can't believe comments as moronic as this manage to slip through the net on here. You expect a country which has no money, no food and no water to help fix a problem in Britain which is Britain's own fault? The UK has a higher teen pregnancy rate than other countries in Europe which spend far less on the issue, the problem is one of the few things which is Made in Britain these days.
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otolith
19,343 posts
73 months
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Sort your quoting, Martin, I didn't mention India.
The point I was making is that 1 billion is not a trivial amount of (other people's) money.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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otolith said: Sort your quoting, Martin, I didn't mention India.
The point I was making is that 1 billion is not a trivial amount of (other people's) money. Well somebody said it and it began with o. So you'll do  The point I was making was seeing as the Government already spends north of £720billion and over £100billion of that is borrowed, throwing another £1billion at something isn't going to make much difference to the overall picture. I never said a billion pounds is money you lose down the back of the sofa.
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otolith
19,343 posts
73 months
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"Look after the billions and the hundreds of billions will look after themselves" 
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odyssey2200
Original Poster
17,421 posts
78 months
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martin84 said: The point I was making was seeing as the Government already spends north of £720billion and over £100billion of that is borrowed, throwing another £1billion at something isn't going to make much difference to the overall picture. . And you don't see anything wrong with that statement? Oh and I mentioned India.
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fbrs
7,623 posts
132 months
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martin84 said: ...PH muppets...moronic.... first rule of holes is usually to stop digging however watching this defence of such an absurd position is quite entertaining so please, dig on. you'll note that no one has disagreed with your brilliant insight that 1bn is a small percentage of 1300bn but rather 1bn is quite a lot to tax or borrow just to give away.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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odyssey2200 said: And you don't see anything wrong with that statement? No, I see mathematical fact in that statement. Do you think £1billion will make a huge amount of difference either way? fbrs said: but rather 1bn is quite a lot to tax or borrow just to give away. And I didn't disagree with that, which begs the question...what the f  k are we arguing about?
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Chrisw666
20,791 posts
68 months
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fbrs said: first rule of holes is usually to stop digging however watching this defence of such an absurd position is quite entertaining so please, dig on. you'll note that no one has disagreed with your brilliant insight that 1bn is a small percentage of 1300bn but rather 1bn is quite a lot to tax or borrow just to give away. Indeed. We can all understand the maths, but just because the sums make it look a small amount it is a lot of money that isn't being spent in the UK. It's almost like defending a massacre of 300 people in one go because thousands of people die every day around the world so a few more won't be noticed. Also why the need to tell everyone who seems to be agreeing they are a moron? Surely if a person doesn't like the viewpoint of people on PH you go off and discuss this political master-stroke with people who share an equally dimwitted view of the world, instead of hanging around and being a troll. There is only one moronic poster on this thread, and none of his comments have been made with a hint of irony.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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Chrisw666 said: It's almost like defending a massacre of 300 people in one go because thousands of people die every day around the world so a few more won't be noticed. It's almost like that except for the fact it's nothing like that at all.
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Chrisw666
20,791 posts
68 months
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martin84 said: Chrisw666 said: It's almost like defending a massacre of 300 people in one go because thousands of people die every day around the world so a few more won't be noticed. It's almost like that except for the fact it's nothing like that at all. Similar concept. How about one for the public sector, I've been off sick Mon-Thu I may as well take Friday off and just start again Monday as it makes no difference. A very stupid defence of stupidity.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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Chrisw666 said: Similar concept. How about one for the public sector, I've been off sick Mon-Thu I may as well take Friday off and just start again Monday as it makes no difference.
A very stupid defence of stupidity. To be honest in some public sector jobs it probably wouldn't make much difference. But we'll leave discussions about how PH thinks everybody in private industry is a magnificent human and everybody in public services is a feckless drain barely one step above benefit thieves for another thread.
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Chrisw666
20,791 posts
68 months
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martin84 said: To be honest in some public sector jobs it probably wouldn't make much difference. But we'll leave discussions about how PH thinks everybody in private industry is a magnificent human and everybody in public services is a feckless drain barely one step above benefit thieves for another thread. Why do you struggle to see the difference between a group of people expressing similar views and a mantra that belongs to a website? I have the views of things based on my life experiences, which includes doing a lot of work with people in need, with the public sector, the private sector and with national government. I joined this site because since I was old enough to recognise them I've loved cars, and unlike a few people I spend more of my time on here talking about cars than joining discussions just to make contrary statements.
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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Chrisw666 said: Why do you struggle to see the difference between a group of people expressing similar views and a mantra that belongs to a website? Because the vast majority of people on here all have the exact same views on absolutely everything. Or maybe you've all kicked and hurled abuse at so many with the odd opposing view, invented raging strawmans and called them socialists so many times they simply don't bother posting in the news secton? Chrisw666 said: unlike a few people I spend more of my time on here talking about cars than joining discussions just to make contrary statements. I drive a Rover what could I possibly add to a discussion about cars? I can't imagine myself being taken seriously in such a discussion 
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