Jobsworths - Springsteen concert
Discussion
Disastrous said:
The E Street Band are one of the few remaining stadium acts that love it or loathe it, still play old fashioned rock and roll, and thus are able to improvise, jam, play requests and huge bandtsanding encores if they feel like it. Can't we be nationally spontaneous, ever??
Couldn't give a monkey's, I'm afraid; I find BS and his band's music to be turgid dad-rock of the most soporific kind. But that's by-the-bye.It's not about being "nationally spontaneous".
You can do that when the crowd's a few hundred people. When it's thousands,you can't. Sheer logistics gets in the way.
The desires of a few (relatively speaking) music fans have to be balanced against those of everyone else, and the needs and safety of all must be taken into consideration.
Again; if you want to be "spontaneous" you book the venue all night, tell the fans you're knocking off at 2230, and then delight them by not doing so.
Of course, when they've all missed their buses and trains, and are milling around central London annoying the tramps, you've only got yourself to blame. But that's rock'n'roll!
CommanderJameson said:
Disastrous said:
The E Street Band are one of the few remaining stadium acts that love it or loathe it, still play old fashioned rock and roll, and thus are able to improvise, jam, play requests and huge bandtsanding encores if they feel like it. Can't we be nationally spontaneous, ever??
Couldn't give a monkey's, I'm afraid; I find BS and his band's music to be turgid dad-rock of the most soporific kind. But that's by-the-bye.It's not about being "nationally spontaneous".
You can do that when the crowd's a few hundred people. When it's thousands,you can't. Sheer logistics gets in the way.
The desires of a few (relatively speaking) music fans have to be balanced against those of everyone else, and the needs and safety of all must be taken into consideration.
Again; if you want to be "spontaneous" you book the venue all night, tell the fans you're knocking off at 2230, and then delight them by not doing so.
Of course, when they've all missed their buses and trains, and are milling around central London annoying the tramps, you've only got yourself to blame. But that's rock'n'roll!
I appreciate and accept I'm in the minority for not liking rules and regs. My issue and any attempt to convince others would have the faint whiff of King Canute about it so fair enough. Fair play to them for shutting him down/keeping residents happy/whatever it achieved. Why should he get away with it etc?
Disastrous said:
Sigh. I suspect you deliberately aren't seeing the spirit of my posts. I understand why rules exist and why they are needed. I'm just suggesting that slavish adherence to them in all cases is unrequited and often a pity. This to me, is an occasion where a bit of discretion could have been shown. As I said earlier, it's nothing to do with being a fair not; as a resident, I'd be happy with it even if it was an act I'd hated.
I was going by what you said rather than the spirit. Always a but dubious to make guesses about spirits, I prefer to stick to words. Anyway, I'm glad to see that you wouldn't mind if the concert had run on, even if it was an act you hated. In my case, were I a resident of that area I would have been very happy to have pulled the plug myself. Disastrous said:
I know you hate BS, which is why I was trying to take my liking for them out the equation as i kind of feel the same about stuff I don't like. I'd rather it happened than we live somewhere where nothing can happen.
I don't hate BS; it's just musical wallpaper to me. Beige anaglypta. Hating BS would be like hating bread, or Volvos.Disastrous said:
I appreciate and accept I'm in the minority for not liking rules and regs. My issue and any attempt to convince others would have the faint whiff of King Canute about it so fair enough. Fair play to them for shutting him down/keeping residents happy/whatever it achieved. Why should he get away with it etc?
When you've got a few (haha! 65,000!) thousand people though, it's out of the realm of "not liking rules and regs" and into the realm of "massive ballache for all concerned".I think you'd be totally correct in the case of a smaller (say, a thousand or three in the crowd) gig in an enclosed venue.
But for an outdoor gig, in the middle of a city, with a crowd of 65K? Sorry, the hippie "give the fans what they want" s
t has to go otherwise there'll be one mega gig that runs on until the wee hours and then the residents will just go "no more of this st plzkthx".Edited by CommanderJameson on Tuesday 17th July 13:59
singlecoil said:
Disastrous said:
Sigh. I suspect you deliberately aren't seeing the spirit of my posts. I understand why rules exist and why they are needed. I'm just suggesting that slavish adherence to them in all cases is unrequited and often a pity. This to me, is an occasion where a bit of discretion could have been shown. As I said earlier, it's nothing to do with being a fair not; as a resident, I'd be happy with it even if it was an act I'd hated.
I was going by what you said rather than the spirit. Always a but dubious to make guesses about spirits, I prefer to stick to words. Anyway, I'm glad to see that you wouldn't mind if the concert had run on, even if it was an act you hated. In my case, were I a resident of that area I would have been very happy to have pulled the plug myself. Ok;
Unrequited = unrequired
A fair not = a fan or not
Stupid thing!
CommanderJameson said:
Disastrous said:
I know you hate BS, which is why I was trying to take my liking for them out the equation as i kind of feel the same about stuff I don't like. I'd rather it happened than we live somewhere where nothing can happen.
I don't hate BS; it's just musical wallpaper to me. Beige anaglypta. Hating BS would be like hating bread, or Volvos.Anyway, massively OT but never mind.
Springsteen was actually due to finish at 22:15 according to the HR Calling page - http://www.hardrockcalling.co.uk/line-up/
Fans weren't cheated - the organisers (or BS) cocked up.
Fans weren't cheated - the organisers (or BS) cocked up.
Disastrous said:
CommanderJameson said:
Disastrous said:
I know you hate BS, which is why I was trying to take my liking for them out the equation as i kind of feel the same about stuff I don't like. I'd rather it happened than we live somewhere where nothing can happen.
I don't hate BS; it's just musical wallpaper to me. Beige anaglypta. Hating BS would be like hating bread, or Volvos.Anyway, massively OT but never mind.
I'm sure BS's stuff is all very heartfelt an' that, but it's still regular ordinary unexciting bluesy rock to me, and bores me senseless.
Rather than just pulling the plug. Shirley it would've possible to have made Mr Springsteen & co aware they were running over and needed to wrap it up.
Mark Knopfler knows how to do it.
"And then the man he steps right up to the microphone
And says at last just as the time bell rings
'Thank you goodnight now it's time to go home'
And he makes it fast with one more thing"
Mark Knopfler knows how to do it.
"And then the man he steps right up to the microphone
And says at last just as the time bell rings
'Thank you goodnight now it's time to go home'
And he makes it fast with one more thing"
CommanderJameson said:
Disastrous said:
CommanderJameson said:
Disastrous said:
I know you hate BS, which is why I was trying to take my liking for them out the equation as i kind of feel the same about stuff I don't like. I'd rather it happened than we live somewhere where nothing can happen.
I don't hate BS; it's just musical wallpaper to me. Beige anaglypta. Hating BS would be like hating bread, or Volvos.Anyway, massively OT but never mind.
I'm sure BS's stuff is all very heartfelt an' that, but it's still regular ordinary unexciting bluesy rock to me, and bores me senseless.
Disastrous said:
freecar said:
Disastrous said:
A shame that Britain, once again, can't just relax and enjoy an event. By contrast, he played Milan earlier in the tour and was allowed to play the second longest set they've ever played, long into the night. Crowd and band had an amazing time by all accounts. It's a pleasure seeing a performer still enjoying the act of playing live to an appreciative audience and not just doing the bare contracted minimum.
Hate the British attitude to things sometimes
Who decides what's good? If any Tom, Dick or Harry can play as long as they like (Springsteen fits into this category if you're not a fan) we'd have to put up with Vanilla Ice at midnight when he should have packed up long ago.Hate the British attitude to things sometimes
The concert was advertised to finish at a specific time, plus the crowd had over three hours of the pompous t
t, enough. He got an extra ten minutes to finish up, if he couldn't hit his finale in those minutes he's not the "entertainer" people think he is!Also, you're a queer type of music fan if you prefer the artists you go to see not to add value by playing all night.
It says nothing about the nation so stop trying to make out it does, what it does say is that Springsteen isn't much of an entertainer as he cocked up his scheduling so much as to miss the opportunity to thank his fans properly and say goodnight, nobody else's fault but his.
I'm not sure what a "queer" type of music fan is but I can assure that in all the concerts I've been to, nobody f
ked it up so much as to have no power for their mike when it was time to say goodbye. st even Donington 1995 finished around 10:30 with Metallica on stage, we didn't complain, we knew what time it was finishing and yes they had ample material to carry on for hours more.That's "queer" as in "unusual", not "queer" as in "graham norton".
ETA: I also think it's excessively hyperbolic to state that "he's not much of an entertainer" just because he ran over on this occasion.
There's clearly a huge, huge market for pentafolky blues rock with the texture of semolina, and he's got a massive track record of giving the fans exactly what they want.
ETA: I also think it's excessively hyperbolic to state that "he's not much of an entertainer" just because he ran over on this occasion.
There's clearly a huge, huge market for pentafolky blues rock with the texture of semolina, and he's got a massive track record of giving the fans exactly what they want.
Edited by CommanderJameson on Tuesday 17th July 14:50
freecar said:
Disastrous said:
freecar said:
Disastrous said:
A shame that Britain, once again, can't just relax and enjoy an event. By contrast, he played Milan earlier in the tour and was allowed to play the second longest set they've ever played, long into the night. Crowd and band had an amazing time by all accounts. It's a pleasure seeing a performer still enjoying the act of playing live to an appreciative audience and not just doing the bare contracted minimum.
Hate the British attitude to things sometimes
Who decides what's good? If any Tom, Dick or Harry can play as long as they like (Springsteen fits into this category if you're not a fan) we'd have to put up with Vanilla Ice at midnight when he should have packed up long ago.Hate the British attitude to things sometimes
The concert was advertised to finish at a specific time, plus the crowd had over three hours of the pompous t
t, enough. He got an extra ten minutes to finish up, if he couldn't hit his finale in those minutes he's not the "entertainer" people think he is!Also, you're a queer type of music fan if you prefer the artists you go to see not to add value by playing all night.
It says nothing about the nation so stop trying to make out it does, what it does say is that Springsteen isn't much of an entertainer as he cocked up his scheduling so much as to miss the opportunity to thank his fans properly and say goodnight, nobody else's fault but his.
I'm not sure what a "queer" type of music fan is but I can assure that in all the concerts I've been to, nobody f
ked it up so much as to have no power for their mike when it was time to say goodbye. st even Donington 1995 finished around 10:30 with Metallica on stage, we didn't complain, we knew what time it was finishing and yes they had ample material to carry on for hours more.You think it says something about Springsteen but I think it says something about the Nation.
I'm pleased that Metallica finished punctually for you. I find it odd that you would be angry that a band you presumably like and paid to see played for longer than they were supposed to. I have visions of you shouting "Come on now Kirk, James, that's quite enough. I'm a fan and everything but 2 hours is a bit much in anyone's book, ok chaps? Besides, this is a campsite and people are trying to sleep..." from the depths of the crowd.
Anyway, that aside, what you would you require me to say to satisfactorily address the issue of every Tom, Dick and Harry being allowed to play on, over and above my comments about most Toms and Dicks, if not Harrys, having a fixed, computerised setilst they can't deviate from?
Disastrous said:
freecar said:
Disastrous said:
freecar said:
Disastrous said:
A shame that Britain, once again, can't just relax and enjoy an event. By contrast, he played Milan earlier in the tour and was allowed to play the second longest set they've ever played, long into the night. Crowd and band had an amazing time by all accounts. It's a pleasure seeing a performer still enjoying the act of playing live to an appreciative audience and not just doing the bare contracted minimum.
Hate the British attitude to things sometimes
Who decides what's good? If any Tom, Dick or Harry can play as long as they like (Springsteen fits into this category if you're not a fan) we'd have to put up with Vanilla Ice at midnight when he should have packed up long ago.Hate the British attitude to things sometimes
The concert was advertised to finish at a specific time, plus the crowd had over three hours of the pompous t
t, enough. He got an extra ten minutes to finish up, if he couldn't hit his finale in those minutes he's not the "entertainer" people think he is!Also, you're a queer type of music fan if you prefer the artists you go to see not to add value by playing all night.
It says nothing about the nation so stop trying to make out it does, what it does say is that Springsteen isn't much of an entertainer as he cocked up his scheduling so much as to miss the opportunity to thank his fans properly and say goodnight, nobody else's fault but his.
I'm not sure what a "queer" type of music fan is but I can assure that in all the concerts I've been to, nobody f
ked it up so much as to have no power for their mike when it was time to say goodbye. st even Donington 1995 finished around 10:30 with Metallica on stage, we didn't complain, we knew what time it was finishing and yes they had ample material to carry on for hours more.You think it says something about Springsteen but I think it says something about the Nation.
I'm pleased that Metallica finished punctually for you. I find it odd that you would be angry that a band you presumably like and paid to see played for longer than they were supposed to. I have visions of you shouting "Come on now Kirk, James, that's quite enough. I'm a fan and everything but 2 hours is a bit much in anyone's book, ok chaps? Besides, this is a campsite and people are trying to sleep..." from the depths of the crowd.
Anyway, that aside, what you would you require me to say to satisfactorily address the issue of every Tom, Dick and Harry being allowed to play on, over and above my comments about most Toms and Dicks, if not Harrys, having a fixed, computerised setilst they can't deviate from?
k what time it finished, I'm pissed that it made its way onto the news, it isn't a story as far as I'm concerned. You're the one who's acting all offended that this happened and as though Bruce should have been able to do as he pleased. I'm glad we don't give enough of a toss about celebrity to allow him to continue playing substantially beyond the end of the licence, if that's "what it says about the nation" then great!I wouldn't have been angry if Metallica played longer, I was camping there, my sister on the other hand would have been stranded 200 miles from home unless she fought her way through the crowd to leave, her and 80,000 or so others like her. Which is the whole point in the licensing times, not a slavish jobsworth attitude but working out what the transport network can take (which has already been mentioned on this thread) to allow everybody to get home the same day.
You don't have to say anything, every Tom, Dick or Bruce have a finish time and they must stick to it, you could stop acting that bands you like should be allowed to play beyond this though.
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