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tinman0

18,231 posts

109 months

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Simblade said:
I work with many Americans on a near constant basis. There is no other groups of people I have met who are so wrapped up in the idea of possession and self. There must be a reason for this.
Hey, what do I know, I only live in America and meet these people on a near constant basis?!! Heck, I even married one, live with them, my friends are them, and my family - get this - are American. Even my neighbours are American! Gees.

130R

4,383 posts

75 months

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Jimbeaux said:
130R said:
No handgun will knock a human being over
That is untrue.
Hmm.. I think it is true. Newton's third law, if the bullet had enough force to knock someone over the recoil would knock the shooter over.

Simblade

157 posts

31 months

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At the minute I am sitting in a room with 2 polish people, a Dutchman, 2 Filipinos, 1 Norwegian, 2 Scottish boys, a Spaniard and a Brazilian. I'd say a fairly even mix by anyone's books. Everyone of them is an individual and has there own personality yet still pulls towards a national Psyche in someway.

In my experience of Americans they pull towards values that do not engender a healthy society. Or is there some other reason for them being labelled as the most depressed, unhealthiest, and most likely to die in a violent way than any other highly developed nation.

No offence intended here but perhaps you live with a nice family, with nice friends, in a nice town in the US with positive values and have a generally nice life. I believe the statistics, my experience and this incident put your life and values at odds with a lot of Americans.


Ayahuasca

16,051 posts

148 months

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croyde said:
That gun death list is the main reason why I am happy never to visit South America.
I live in Central America and work in most of the worst countries on that list.

Provided you are reasonably careful it is quite safe.



tinman0

18,231 posts

109 months

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Sunday 22nd July 2012 quote quote all
130R said:
Jimbeaux said:
130R said:
No handgun will knock a human being over
That is untrue.
Hmm.. I think it is true. Newton's third law, if the bullet had enough force to knock someone over the recoil would knock the shooter over.
Go on...you argue with the retired military explosives guy hehe

(ahem, recoil = arm moves. don't believe the tv where people fire a clip of 45 with one hand - it's not real...).

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TinyCappo

1,386 posts

22 months

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Pothole

18,003 posts

151 months

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Sunday 22nd July 2012 quote quote all
TinyCappo said:
I don't even know where to start with that bks.

Blue Oval84

1,748 posts

30 months

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Sunday 22nd July 2012 quote quote all
Pothole said:
I don't even know where to start with that bks.
Agreed!

JPJPJP

2,244 posts

37 months

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Dark Knight Massacre Special report over on infowars

http://www.infowars.com/dark-knight-massacre-speci...

Its got it all: mind control, accomplice to the main shooter, 2nd amendment / gun grabbing UN treaty and much more

TheHeretic

67,822 posts

124 months

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Blue Oval84 said:
Pothole said:
I don't even know where to start with that bks.
Agreed!
Also agree. A terrorist has a cause, and all that jazz. This bloke seems to have just gone fking daft.

LimaDelta

1,730 posts

87 months

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Sunday 22nd July 2012 quote quote all
tinman0 said:
130R said:
Jimbeaux said:
130R said:
No handgun will knock a human being over
That is untrue.
Hmm.. I think it is true. Newton's third law, if the bullet had enough force to knock someone over the recoil would knock the shooter over.
Go on...you argue with the retired military explosives guy hehe

(ahem, recoil = arm moves. don't believe the tv where people fire a clip of 45 with one hand - it's not real...).
A hand gun can knock a person over, in the same way a punch can. If the target is caught off balance or by surprise, or both. Especially if you score several hits in quick succession. It is not just about the kinetic energy of the single bullet.

Pig Skill

1,368 posts

72 months

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Sunday 22nd July 2012 quote quote all
Firstly, I'll start by saying that I mean no disrespect to any of the killed or injured in this latest massacre.


OK, here's my beef

Obama is making the visit, the queen is sending her sympathy and the local mayor is speaking on every channel the TV stations can provide. Everyone is shocked an appalled by what has happened to these 12 people. But hey, this number and more are getting killed every day in Syria. Children, young families, elderly people the whole shebang. Yet the West sits back and discusses the situation.

A life is a life and they are being taken every day by Bashar Assad and he continues to draw breath. The world is seriously out of balance.

Olf

10,858 posts

87 months

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Pig Skill said:
Firstly, I'll start by saying that I mean no disrespect to any of the killed or injured in this latest massacre.


OK, here's my beef

Obama is making the visit, the queen is sending her sympathy and the local mayor is speaking on every channel the TV stations can provide. Everyone is shocked an appalled by what has happened to these 12 people. But hey, this number and more are getting killed every day in Syria. Children, young families, elderly people the whole shebang. Yet the West sits back and discusses the situation.

A life is a life and they are being taken every day by Bashar Assad and he continues to draw breath. The world is seriously out of balance.
Sliiiiigthly more complicated given the geopolitical implications of messing with Syria. Handle that wrong and MILLIONS could die, not 12. So maybe you are the one out of balance.

Pig Skill

1,368 posts

72 months

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Olf said:
Pig Skill said:
Firstly, I'll start by saying that I mean no disrespect to any of the killed or injured in this latest massacre.


OK, here's my beef

Obama is making the visit, the queen is sending her sympathy and the local mayor is speaking on every channel the TV stations can provide. Everyone is shocked an appalled by what has happened to these 12 people. But hey, this number and more are getting killed every day in Syria. Children, young families, elderly people the whole shebang. Yet the West sits back and discusses the situation.

A life is a life and they are being taken every day by Bashar Assad and he continues to draw breath. The world is seriously out of balance.
Sliiiiigthly more complicated given the geopolitical implications of messing with Syria. Handle that wrong and MILLIONS could die, not 12. So maybe you are the one out of balance.
Maybe I am, but I know what is right and wrong. What he is being allowed to do is wrong. Very very wrong.

Educate me; why could millions die if handled wrong?

rohrl

3,697 posts

14 months

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Sunday 22nd July 2012 quote quote all
Pig Skill said:
Firstly, I'll start by saying that I mean no disrespect to any of the killed or injured in this latest massacre.


OK, here's my beef

Obama is making the visit, the queen is sending her sympathy and the local mayor is speaking on every channel the TV stations can provide. Everyone is shocked an appalled by what has happened to these 12 people. But hey, this number and more are getting killed every day in Syria. Children, young families, elderly people the whole shebang. Yet the West sits back and discusses the situation.

A life is a life and they are being taken every day by Bashar Assad and he continues to draw breath. The world is seriously out of balance.
It's a fair and unarguable point that some deaths and murders get a lot more media, public and political attention than others. You'd drive yourself insane if you allow yourself to get wound up by the injustice that Jordan and Peter Andre get more column inches than starving children.

LandingSpot

2,052 posts

82 months

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I love how the poor mother of the six year old who has died does not yet know that her daughter is dead, and yet the media think it appropriate to plaster it all over national and world news so that every other fker knows before she does. frown


Viper_Larry

3,813 posts

125 months

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LandingSpot said:
I love how the poor mother of the six year old who has died does not yet know that her daughter is dead, and yet the media think it appropriate to plaster it all over national and world news so that every other fker knows before she does. frown
What was a 6 year old doing at a midnight showing of a PG 13 rated film?

Funk

13,072 posts

78 months

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Viper_Larry said:
LandingSpot said:
I love how the poor mother of the six year old who has died does not yet know that her daughter is dead, and yet the media think it appropriate to plaster it all over national and world news so that every other fker knows before she does. frown
What was a 6 year old doing at a midnight showing of a PG 13 rated film?
That is exactly the first thing I thought as well.

Sad that the child was murdered, but what was she doing there in the first place?

thehawk

8,382 posts

76 months

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Simblade said:
I work with many Americans on a near constant basis. There is no other groups of people I have met who are so wrapped up in the idea of possession and self. There must be a reason for this.
I've found mostly the opposite, generally the Americans I've met in America are more family oriented and just into enjoying life. Maybe the ones you meet are expats who may be more driven and focussed on money etc which is probably to be expected.

As opposed to many British people, where it's most definitely about possession and self.

John Bunnell

70 posts

15 months

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rohrl said:
I know it's probably fatuous to talk about gun control in regards to the US, so many guns are there in circulation already but it seems obvious to me that the more easily available that guns are available the more people will be shot, either by accident or by design.
haven't read the whole thread but back to the argument about gun control laws that was going on earlier. there are any number of reasons why these massacres occur, but at the end of the day, none of them would be possible without access to guns, and not just any guns, but serious guns like assault rifles.

here in australia, the port arthur massacre in the late 90's saw over 30 people killed with what i believe was a similar weapon to one of those used here. the government response saw hundreds of thousands of guns destroyed under a gun buy back scheme, where owners hand in their weapons and are paid to do so.

in other words, even if there are plenty of guns out there in circulation, it only takes a bit of imagination to take them out of the equation. as far as i'm aware, this guy got his guns legally, and so do many people who commit these crimes. this still leaves the criminal element, and it is harder to control guns that fall into their hands. but then reducing them in the general population would presumably cause them to be harder to get for criminals, as a flow on effect.

even in a stiflingly conservative environment such as the US, where common sense laws such as this are infuriatingly hard to implement, some sort of moderate and less extreme measure could be put in place. i mean at least have some sort of blank restriction on the more serious sorts of weaponry such as assault rifles, what possible valid reason can anyone have for owning one of these in a domestic situation?

at the end of the day, it comes down to restricting guns, and keeping the few who do own them on a very short leash. you can look to other ways of reducing these sorts of incidents, but you'd be wasting your time and they'll happen over, and over, and over.
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