Treasury Minister thinks paying with cash is wrong
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
martin84 said:
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Why is he targeting tradesmen specifically?...
Because this is what they do. Broad brush accusations at a group to try and get their point across. It was probably more straightforward for him to pick tradesmen than bankers this time Why is he targeting tradesmen specifically?...
Expect this sort of b
ks more and more.If they try to avoid a question they are accused of being evasive. If they answer a question directly they are bound to upset at least half those who hear the broadcast or read the article.
Politicians are always onto a loser no matter what they say - they will always upset someone.
"Under the amnesty, workmen who admit they have avoided tax will face reduced penalties of £200 plus a fine equivalent to 10 per cent of unpaid tax. "
Surely they mean "evaded" not "avoided"? This is an important distinction with all the "clamping down on tax avoiders" which is actually mentioned later on in the same article.
Is the artical deliberately mis-written to try to make ill informed people beleive that legal tax avoidance is the same as cash in hand taking tradesmen who evade tax?
Surely they mean "evaded" not "avoided"? This is an important distinction with all the "clamping down on tax avoiders" which is actually mentioned later on in the same article.
Is the artical deliberately mis-written to try to make ill informed people beleive that legal tax avoidance is the same as cash in hand taking tradesmen who evade tax?
Edited by mrmr96 on Tuesday 24th July 08:03
I'm surprised that more people are not grasping this issue.
It seems perfectly fine to treat some middle ranking banker as a parasite, even though his income is PAYE and so the tax is paid before he sees it.
For every city trader paying away more than half his bonus in tax and NI, there are thousands and thousands of tradesman taking cash in hand without a VAT invoice and millions of people willingly being complicit in this tax evasion.
Massive hipocrasy , seems to me.
It seems perfectly fine to treat some middle ranking banker as a parasite, even though his income is PAYE and so the tax is paid before he sees it.
For every city trader paying away more than half his bonus in tax and NI, there are thousands and thousands of tradesman taking cash in hand without a VAT invoice and millions of people willingly being complicit in this tax evasion.
Massive hipocrasy , seems to me.
Is this the same Mr Gauke that:
"David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
"David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
chris watton said:
Is this the same Mr Gauke that:
"David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
Legal tax avoidance is not illegal tax evasion. More muddying of the waters. "David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
madbadger said:
Mr Gauke said:
“Getting a discount with your plumber by paying cash in hand is something that is a big cost to the Revenue and means others have to pay more in tax.
So if I don't get a conservatory built and therefore do not pay any VAT on it either do others pay more in tax?Eric Mc said:
What would you have done if asked such a direct question? Ignored it?
If they try to avoid a question they are accused of being evasive. If they answer a question directly they are bound to upset at least half those who hear the broadcast or read the article.
Politicians are always onto a loser no matter what they say - they will always upset someone.
I would have been very careful with my use of words and left no ambiguity that I am against illegal practices such as tax evasion and people facilitating it, no matter what the profession.If they try to avoid a question they are accused of being evasive. If they answer a question directly they are bound to upset at least half those who hear the broadcast or read the article.
Politicians are always onto a loser no matter what they say - they will always upset someone.
It's not hard.
Eric Mc said:
chris watton said:
Is this the same Mr Gauke that:
"David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
Legal tax avoidance is not illegal tax evasion. More muddying of the waters. "David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
chris watton said:
Is this the same Mr Gauke that:
"David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
And therin lies the nub of the matter...who the hell is he to start moralising about money/tax? Pigs in the trough ,the lot of them...and i think the great unwashed are beginining to understand this too,hence,lack of any respect at all.I have always thought you have to earn respect,not demand it and these politicians (who are merely civil 'servants') with there self serving ways have less and less respect by the day."David Gauke MP claimed £10,248.32 expenses back from taxpayers to avoid paying the stamp duty and fees involved in the purchase of his home in London."
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shami...
...and who's wife "is Tax Avoidance Lawyer"
http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/david-gaukes-wif...
ellroy said:
The media don't seem to get it. Cash in hand, where tax is not paid, is tax evasion and is illegal. Tax avoidance, whatever your morals, is not.
Oh they get it. But the scale of the story isn't as good if you restrict it to illegal activity, and more often than not your celeb targets won't be legitimate targets.And there are people on here that lap up what the press feed them and take it as gospel. That's the biggest problem we face by a mile. Along with cretins for politicians.
Murph7355 said:
I would have been very careful with my use of words and left no ambiguity that I am against illegal practices such as tax evasion and people facilitating it, no matter what the profession.
It's not hard.
So would I.It's not hard.
The topic has become very emotive and full of ill informed comment.
It's good that the morals of tax evasion and tax avoidance are being discussed. However, the standard of debate in the media is usually simplistic and inflammatory rather than instructive.
Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 24th July 08:32
Adrian W said:
But I thought his comments were about morals, sorry BP,Vodaphone and the banks might be legal but they certainly arn't moral
Paying cash to a trader per se is neither immoral nor illegal. It's what the trader does with the cash that causes the problem.If the customer is COLLUDING with the trader to defraud - that is both ILLEGAL AND immoral.
It seems that everyone has gone tax crazy, doesn't it?
The media, politicians general public and alike are becoming increasingly confused regarding the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. People are becoming enraged because other people should be paying more tax. Furthermore there seems to be a growing sense that unless every individual actively seeks out ways to pay more tax, he or she is "morally repugnant".
The idea that not paying as much tax as possible is akin to killing kittens seems to be coming from the government (surprise, surprise). The elephant in the room, however, is that tax avoidance, tax evasion and paying the plumber in cash are not the problem. The problem is how tax is spent. Root-and-branch reform of public spending is what the indignant masses should be more concerned about.
One can only hope that over the coming weeks we see an endless stream of nannies, gardeners, plumbers and truffle suppliers coming forward to claim that ministers have offered them cash in return for a discount.
The media, politicians general public and alike are becoming increasingly confused regarding the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. People are becoming enraged because other people should be paying more tax. Furthermore there seems to be a growing sense that unless every individual actively seeks out ways to pay more tax, he or she is "morally repugnant".
The idea that not paying as much tax as possible is akin to killing kittens seems to be coming from the government (surprise, surprise). The elephant in the room, however, is that tax avoidance, tax evasion and paying the plumber in cash are not the problem. The problem is how tax is spent. Root-and-branch reform of public spending is what the indignant masses should be more concerned about.
One can only hope that over the coming weeks we see an endless stream of nannies, gardeners, plumbers and truffle suppliers coming forward to claim that ministers have offered them cash in return for a discount.
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