How do you solve the North/South divide?

How do you solve the North/South divide?

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johnfm

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13,668 posts

251 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Let's presume that The north ( and Wales) has been in recession for probably 20+ years.

This is a 'guesstimate' predicated on the fact that the SE has been massively booming for about that time, and overall UK output has exactly been stellar.

Assuming this blanket approach is right, what stimuli can transform the North, Wales, etc from net beneficiaries to net contributors?


-10 points for any mention of Thatcher or miners strikes, btw.

Forward thinking responses please.

Puggit

48,476 posts

249 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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They can stop feeling sorry for themselves and stimulate themselves.

Gargamel

15,002 posts

262 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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local stock exchanges.,, similarvrules to aim, but with a real local focus

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,668 posts

251 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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How does a region / grop of regions attract investment without having control over local taxes?

Like the Swiss cantons, it would be useful if they could set local corporation/employment taxes.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

245 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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London and the South East should declare independence and form a new country, a bit like Monaco. We could let enough Northerners in to carry out the various menial tasks that need doing, but under no circumstances should we let the Welsh in.

Happy82

15,077 posts

170 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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We could cull the social underclass with gladiator events? hehe

Would the shale gas sector create many jobs? The reports of new sites seem to be mostly located in the North? If that was the case we could perhaps push forward with that although I'm unsure of how much training would be required.


NailedOn

3,114 posts

236 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Get on their bikes?

The Poles did, and still do.


Adrian W

13,876 posts

229 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Blow up anything north of Watford Gaphehe

hesnotthemessiah

2,121 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Everyone move into the middle. So Sheffield would be the new capital. Yey, at least we'd have a decent football team then. Oh.....and they might sort the roads out as well.

glazbagun

14,281 posts

198 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Gift them to post-independent Scotland?

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,668 posts

251 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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NailedOn said:
Get on their bikes?

The Poles did, and still do.
Getting on their bikes implies moving to where work is.

The point is to attract businesses so the regions in question produce more tha they consume in subsidies.

Randy Winkman

16,169 posts

190 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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NailedOn said:
Get on their bikes?

The Poles did, and still do.
An go to ...... ?

jbi

12,674 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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convince the locals to stop voting labour/lib dem

Cut taxes, offer business incentives, improve/ Widen the A1


VinceFox

20,566 posts

173 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Puggit said:
They can stop feeling sorry for themselves and stimulate themselves.
Are you suggesting all southerners are self-stimulators?

HarryW

15,151 posts

270 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Move a lot of government jobs and agencies there, relocate the bbc......hang on a minutes didn't someone recently do that...

jbi

12,674 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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HarryW said:
Move a lot of government jobs and agencies there, relocate the bbc......hang on a minutes didn't someone recently do that...
The public sector jobs capital of the UK is the lovely little market town of Morpeth in Northumberland.

Almost 90% of local economy is funded by the public sector both directly and indirectly.

Makes me sick.

The current Mayor of Blyth is a dyed in the wool communist. He dated my aunt for a few years and was so enamoured with the soviet union he even wanted to import a lada to drive around in.


davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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You don't. Solving the north/south divide is roughly as possible as eliminating relative poverty; there are always going to be richer and poorer parts of a country, and richer and poorer people. The north of the UK is at the end of a process of de-industrialisation, and if the workforce was mobile it would be seeing a process of de-urbanisation such as that seen in Detroit.

Sheets Tabuer

18,984 posts

216 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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Give the countries of the UK their own government with fiscal responsibility, like a federal system.

At the moment the UK government worries if it should invest in a deprived area of england or scotland/wales, an english government wouldn't have responsibility or give two hoots what happens in wales and vice versa.

Mst007

472 posts

223 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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How dare youse southerners acccuse us of being all unedumacated, workshy and that.

On a serious note, you are all c**** smile

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,668 posts

251 months

Wednesday 25th July 2012
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davepoth said:
You don't. Solving the north/south divide is roughly as possible as eliminating relative poverty; there are always going to be richer and poorer parts of a country, and richer and poorer people. The north of the UK is at the end of a process of de-industrialisation, and if the workforce was mobile it would be seeing a process of de-urbanisation such as that seen in Detroit.
Clearly, there are relatively rich and poor.

Not sure why they should remain to be statistically distributed as they are currently.

Comparing, say, Yorkshire to Michigan is a bit odd. Substantially more diverse industry in Yorkshire, whereas Detroit made cars and not much else.

Given the cost of real estate in the South East, what is the draw for businesses to locate there that offsets the increased cost base? Proximity to London and the ports?

One would think that industries like, say, software etc would be able to be based anywhere. So why the South East?

Seems to me the cost in both time and money of getting from the north to, say, London for meetings doesn't help.