Just saw Blair on the tv ref the Olympics.....

[Countdown]

martin84 said:

I think we should have a show of hands from everybody here who voted for him in 1997. Come on, there's always someone

I voted for him in 1997 and 2001. Didnt vote for him in 2006 mainly because of the war. Voted Tory in 2010 because I thought GB was too much of a socialist.

[XCP]

I voted Labour in 1997. The Conservatives were a shambles.

[madala]

The first time I saw Blair....I loathed him....but knew full well he would drag the "suckers" in to vote for his.....New Labour party......very clever c**t....but a c**t never the less....even his labour party contempories hated his guts.....and I know that for a fact as I know one of them.....mind you....she is an arch socialist.....but she saw through that twunt.

[Countdown]

madala said:

The first time I saw Blair....I loathed him....but knew full well he would drag the "suckers" in to vote for his.....New Labour party......very clever c**t....but a c**t never the less....even his labour party contempories hated his guts.....and I know that for a fact as I know one of them.....mind you....she is an arch socialist.....but she saw through that twunt.

The contemporaries who lost 4 elections on the trot? Brown and his ilk?

[madala]

....Of course not....those dinosaurs were already dead....his "New labour" contempories....and the one I know knew him from way back when.....and I think what I might call her is....a "modern Socialist"....but still a fking fool.....she hated that tt (TB) with a vengeance.....and let's face it that Scottish one eyed Moron Gordon Brown was not exactly in love with him either....but he was brain dead anyway......enough said....from me.

[HeatonNorris]

madala said:

....Of course not....those dinosaurs were already dead....his "New labour" contempories....and the one I know knew him from way back when.....and I think what I might call her is....a "modern Socialist"....but still a fking fool.....she hated that tt (TB) with a vengeance.....and let's face it that Scottish one eyed Moron Gordon Brown was not exactly in love with him either....but he was brain dead anyway......enough said....from me.

I think you need a new keyboard - your full-stop key is sticking.

[martin84]

Countdown said:

I voted for him in 1997 and 2001. Didnt vote for him in 2006 mainly because of the war.

And because there was no general election in that year

XCP said:

I voted Labour in 1997. The Conservatives were a shambles.

Indeed. It's easy to forget now how relieved the public were in 1997, not so much that Labour had won but because the Tories were finally out. I think its natural for any party in office for that long to go off the rails but it just got stupid towards the end.

[Colonial]

Puggit said:

martin84 said:

colonel c said:

Can anyone seriously believe that any Tory PM would not have supported Bush over Iraq.

A 'close relationship' bordering on overly chummy is not something a Labour PM alone is guilty of. Thatcher would've jumped off a bridge if Reagan told her to.

Of course a Tory PM would've backed Bush all the way. The Iraq war was happening irrespective of which party was in office.

But maybe a Tory PM would have been more honest about he reasons. Of ourse, we'll never know....

That is absolutely laughable and deep down I think you know it.

[powerstroke]

martin84 said:

Indeed. It's easy to forget now how relieved the public were in 1997, not so much that Labour had won but because the Tories were finally out. I think its natural for any party in office for that long to go off the rails but it just got stupid towards the end.

Yes relieved !!however its very hard to remember much maybe it did get stupid but it was fairly harmless and seems small beer after the st we have sufferd from the last labour admin, 2 wars, the economy shafted and destructive spitefullness towards the taxpayers and responsable members of our society, bunch of weapons grade tts

Edited by powerstroke on Monday 30th July 14:21

[Puggit]

Colonial said:

Puggit said:

martin84 said:

colonel c said:

Can anyone seriously believe that any Tory PM would not have supported Bush over Iraq.

A 'close relationship' bordering on overly chummy is not something a Labour PM alone is guilty of. Thatcher would've jumped off a bridge if Reagan told her to.

Of course a Tory PM would've backed Bush all the way. The Iraq war was happening irrespective of which party was in office.

But maybe a Tory PM would have been more honest about he reasons. Of ourse, we'll never know....

That is absolutely laughable and deep down I think you know it.

Not at all - I don't subscribe to any of the 3 main parties, so I'm not here to defend the Tories. However, are you really stating, on a public forum, that the Labour Party are more trustworthy than the Tories?

[rohrl]

I voted for Blair in '97. The Tories were a shower of st at the time and rightly deserved to be booted out so it would have been perverse to vote Conservative at the time. I voted for him again in 2001 then he made up a whole load of rubbish about Iraq in order to do what his God and George Bush wanted him to do so I didn't vote for him or his lot again.

[Carfiend]

I was 13 at in 1997 so all I remember was everyone saying how it was great the Tories were out and how everything would be better. I guess it was the same with Obama and "change has come to America". All talk and no trousers.

[Pints]

rohrl said:

I voted for Blair in '97. The Tories were a shower of st at the time and rightly deserved to be booted out so it would have been perverse to vote Conservative at the time. I voted for him again in 2001 then he made up a whole load of rubbish about Iraq in order to do what his God and George Bush wanted him to do so I didn't vote for him or his lot again.

Uh oh.
Run, Rohrl. Run!

[rohrl]

Pints said:

Uh oh.
Run, Rohrl. Run!

In my opinion only an idiot would vote for the same party at every general election, regardless of what that party had done in the previous five years or proposed for the next five.

[Puggit]

rohrl said:

I voted for Blair in '97. The Tories were a shower of st at the time and rightly deserved to be booted out so it would have been perverse to vote Conservative at the time. I voted for him again in 2001 then he made up a whole load of rubbish about Iraq in order to do what his God and George Bush wanted him to do so I didn't vote for him or his lot again.

Presuming you may have voted for the Tories before then, so why did you swing right across to Labour, and not stop off with a quick vote for the LibDems?

[rohrl]

Puggit said:

Presuming you may have voted for the Tories before then, so why did you swing right across to Labour, and not stop off with a quick vote for the LibDems?

1997 was the first General Election I was eligible to vote in.

[madala]

HeatonNorris said:

madala said:

....Of course not....those dinosaurs were already dead....his "New labour" contempories....and the one I know knew him from way back when.....and I think what I might call her is....a "modern Socialist"....but still a fking fool.....she hated that tt (TB) with a vengeance.....and let's face it that Scottish one eyed Moron Gordon Brown was not exactly in love with him either....but he was brain dead anyway......enough said....from me.

I think you need a new keyboard - your full-stop key is sticking.

....I suffer from emphysema...so...I type the way.....I speak.....so to speak......
















.....If you believe that then the moon is indeed made of blue cheese.....

[Puggit]

madala said:

If you believe that then the moon is indeed made of blue cheese.....

[AJS-]

Absolutely shameless lying toad. I was 18 in 1997 and spotted him as a charlatan then, and he's proved me right at every opportunity since.

The Tories were a shambles because they had John Major as a "leader," who despite the affection some have for his apparently innocent brand of incompetence mixed with cricket and afternoon tea, was probably the worst thing that happened to the UK in my lifetime.

Off the back of a decade where Thatcher started getting things right, when the political momentum was there to really make Britain a better country, to reject Maastricht, to make continue the successful programme of deregulation and privatisation, Major came in and squandered it all, paving the way Blair and his band of crooks to help themselves, without any meaningful opposition.

The weaklings won, and we're still suffering the result of that now with Cameroon and his inane pact with the Lib Dems which has achieved nothing meaningful, and never will.

[martin84]

powerstroke said:

Yes relieved !!however its very hard to remember much maybe it did get stupid but it was fairly harmless and seems small beer after the st we have sufferd from the last labour admin, 2 wars, the economy shafted and destructive spitefullness towards the taxpayers and responsable members of our society, bunch of weapons grade tts

Everything seems small beer 15 years later but it was big beer at the time. Most of it was sex scandals and sleaze, as well as Neil Hamilton taking bungs (sorry, allegedly ) I like John Major but he was like a supply teacher in a classroom of monkeys which had just lost the plot. If they cant keep their own st together then why would you trust them to run the country?

You say '2 wars' but I don't think its war itself you hate the Labour admin for. The previous Conservative regime sent our Armed Forces into three conflicts and it didn't take long for Cameron's lot to get us involved in Libya. Our involvement in Iraq was absolutely unneccessary but Afghanistan was something we couldn't really say no to, especially after 2005. The major shame about Afghanistan is it looks like once again it'll mostly be for nothing.

If Romney gets in over in DC you can count on Cammy boy offering the very armed forces he's depleting to back up Romney's impending Iran invasion. The Republicans seem to have a catalogue of places to invade, they've flicked to another page now and gone 'Oooohhh Iran looks nice this time of year.' Be afraid. Be very afraid.

The economy was the main issue for the 1997 election with the Conservative's having destroyed their reputation for economic competence following the ERM fiasco where they spunked squillions up the wall. In response, the Labour Party started to reform, first under John Smith then under Tony Blair. Interestingly prior to Black Wednesday, then Shadow Chancellor Gordon Brown stated he valued the currency even higher and would've spent more on it but in the aftermath Brown was able to portray himself as the answer to Britains economic problems.