Chemotherapy - cancer? You're fit.
Discussion
whoami said:
davepoth said:
Apologies for the DM link.
I really wish people would stop with this nonsense.The link is either good enough to support whatever is being posted, or it's not.
Willy Nilly said:
When I was on YTS I worked with a guy that lost an argument with a sugar beet harvester. It chopped his hand off somewhere between his wrist and his elbow. This would have happened within a few weeks of me being born. He carried on working for at least 20 years. He got burgled about 10 or 15 years ago, they left his house bare, even stealing the sheets of his bed. This just about caused him and his wife to have a nervous breakdown each. He moved and I lost contact with him.
There is a bloke around here that had a bad bike crash and lost his whole right arm. It must be very hard driving and old tractor with only one arm, but he does it. Being on a checkout would be a piece of piss.
and one of the drivers in the vintage sports car club lost his arm in an accident - he modified his car so he could continue to race his ERA on the hillclimbsThere is a bloke around here that had a bad bike crash and lost his whole right arm. It must be very hard driving and old tractor with only one arm, but he does it. Being on a checkout would be a piece of piss.
league67 said:
Don't think so. Just a desperado wanna-be hard man over the interweb. johnfm, that comment was beyond contempt. If you actually do
think that and it's not just mindless bravado, you should be shot. Preferably, imho, before you contaminate genetic pool.
Utter Boolocks.think that and it's not just mindless bravado, you should be shot. Preferably, imho, before you contaminate genetic pool.
It is extremely cynical to use a few emotive cases to disguise the massive and endless issue that we pay too many people not to work. Whether they not be suitable for work or genuinely unfit. The state has shouldered the burden. There will always be hard choices and tough stories. It doesnt mean the massive fraud being perpetuated upon all taxpayers should not be stopped.
This is a topic close to my heart.
My FIL hasn't worked a day in the entire time I've known him. He's disabled through "chronic back pain". He can however walk his dog 4-5 times per day, and up until a few years a go was happy to help out a mate who did car repairs from his drive. I've never actually seen him in any sort of pain. He lives in a 3 bed house 2 streets from mine, and he has a new car (mobility).
Its ironic I was recently diagnosed with chronic back pain, but my work is mainly spent sitting at a desk so its not a big issue (I have less problems sat at a desk than on a sofa). There is no doubt in my mind that he has been fit for work for the past 25 years, but has never lifted a finger.
My FIL hasn't worked a day in the entire time I've known him. He's disabled through "chronic back pain". He can however walk his dog 4-5 times per day, and up until a few years a go was happy to help out a mate who did car repairs from his drive. I've never actually seen him in any sort of pain. He lives in a 3 bed house 2 streets from mine, and he has a new car (mobility).
Its ironic I was recently diagnosed with chronic back pain, but my work is mainly spent sitting at a desk so its not a big issue (I have less problems sat at a desk than on a sofa). There is no doubt in my mind that he has been fit for work for the past 25 years, but has never lifted a finger.
crankedup said:
Couple of prog's on telly last night, under cover Doctor gets trained ready to conduct the Governments ESA benefits tests on people currently in receipt of that benefit.
A chemotherapy cancer suffering patient is deemed fit for work, unless the chemo is administered intravenously.
I carried on working whilst having IV Chemo, would not have wanted to work on a building site but if you have an office / admin job its definitely possible. I did teleconferences actually from the Chemo ward, as its pretty boring so you might as well get something done, especially if you charge by the day....A chemotherapy cancer suffering patient is deemed fit for work, unless the chemo is administered intravenously.
Not saying this is the same for all forms of chemo and for everyone, but its not automatically stopping your from working
stackmonkey said:
johnfm said:
Yes, seriously.
Welfare is a safety net, not a hammock.
If you are fit to do certain jobs, why shouldn't you at least have to try?
The point, which you have obviously missed unless you are trolling, is that many people who are incapable of doing any jobs, are being told that they are fit due to an inadequate testing system and are unfairly losing that safety net as a consequence.Welfare is a safety net, not a hammock.
If you are fit to do certain jobs, why shouldn't you at least have to try?
Oakey said:
I think davepoth hit the nail on the head earlier. If you're looking to cheat the system you will do your homework and know the correct responses to ensure the result you want, if you're naive and honest you'll play things down and risk not being assessed correctly.
Those in genuine need get shafted and those on the fiddle win.
From the two prog's I have watched it is impossible to cheat the system. The examination is such that it is almost impossible to gain the 15 points required on any of the set format tests. And that is the problem.Those in genuine need get shafted and those on the fiddle win.
Can you lift an empty cardboard box and walk a few yards with it? Most people can, even a one armed person. How many jobs about where that is a requirement of the job? It proves no fitness whatsoever.
crankedup said:
From the two prog's I have watched it is impossible to cheat the system. The examination is such that it is almost impossible to gain the 15 points required on any of the set format tests. And that is the problem.
Can you lift an empty cardboard box and walk a few yards with it? Most people can, even a one armed person. How many jobs about where that is a requirement of the job? It proves no fitness whatsoever.
You are deluded sying it isnt possible to cheat the system.Can you lift an empty cardboard box and walk a few yards with it? Most people can, even a one armed person. How many jobs about where that is a requirement of the job? It proves no fitness whatsoever.
johnfm said:
league67 said:
Pesty said:
johnfm said:
Boo hoo.
Why don't you dip into your savings and pay these people to sit at home if it so upsetting.
seriously?Why don't you dip into your savings and pay these people to sit at home if it so upsetting.
think that and it's not just mindless bravado, you should be shot. Preferably, imho, before you contaminate genetic pool.
The robust testing and appeals procedure should ( though may not necessarily) weed out people who have chosen sickness benefit as a lifestyle choice.
The question is 'what exactly is too sick to work'?
Quite clearly, some jobs (if they are available) could be done by people with a variety of long term illnesses.
Some long term illnesses may not make work possible. These people are the ones who need welfare support. As with the NHS and most other forms of welfare, the scope creep has become so wide that there is too little help available to genuine claimants.
As for karma, that is what health insurance is for.
Jasandjules said:
Still at least we pay out 10billion a year to foreign countries in aid.
It is sad that in the main those who are genuine will get told they are "fit" and those who are faking it will pass the test. As it often has been.
And if you want to know how it works, I recently ran an appeal against a refusal wherein the Tribunal expressly stated that they preferred the evidence of the Appellant over that of the Doctor (who I had shown had lied about matters). The only reason an appeal was lodged was because I did it, the party in question basically couldn't cope with it - frankly something I think they rely on.....
.It is sad that in the main those who are genuine will get told they are "fit" and those who are faking it will pass the test. As it often has been.
And if you want to know how it works, I recently ran an appeal against a refusal wherein the Tribunal expressly stated that they preferred the evidence of the Appellant over that of the Doctor (who I had shown had lied about matters). The only reason an appeal was lodged was because I did it, the party in question basically couldn't cope with it - frankly something I think they rely on.....
Sorry a little OT.
Does any one know why we still give money away, when we quite clearly need the money in UK ?
Vette
Burrow01 said:
crankedup said:
Couple of prog's on telly last night, under cover Doctor gets trained ready to conduct the Governments ESA benefits tests on people currently in receipt of that benefit.
A chemotherapy cancer suffering patient is deemed fit for work, unless the chemo is administered intravenously.
I carried on working whilst having IV Chemo, would not have wanted to work on a building site but if you have an office / admin job its definitely possible. I did teleconferences actually from the Chemo ward, as its pretty boring so you might as well get something done, especially if you charge by the day....A chemotherapy cancer suffering patient is deemed fit for work, unless the chemo is administered intravenously.
Not saying this is the same for all forms of chemo and for everyone, but its not automatically stopping your from working
crankedup said:
From the two prog's I have watched it is impossible to cheat the system. The examination is such that it is almost impossible to gain the 15 points required on any of the set format tests. And that is the problem.
Can you lift an empty cardboard box and walk a few yards with it? Most people can, even a one armed person. How many jobs about where that is a requirement of the job? It proves no fitness whatsoever.
Really? Impossible?Can you lift an empty cardboard box and walk a few yards with it? Most people can, even a one armed person. How many jobs about where that is a requirement of the job? It proves no fitness whatsoever.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4239460/...
TheSun said:
A CANCER victim swindled £110,000 in benefits to jet off on luxury holidays after she was cured by the NHS.
Grasping Debra Allan, 49, who lied that she could barely walk, was jailed for 18 months yesterday.
In five years the ex hairdresser squandered cash she fiddled on holidays to Dubai, Laos and Thailand. In one year alone she spent FIVE MONTHS in Italy.
Mum-of-three Allan — who got the all-clear after a hysterectomy for cervical cancer in 2003 — claimed she took 15 minutes to walk 30 yards.
She said she needed a mobility scooter, plus help getting out of bed, using the toilet and someone to cook and give her medication.
But holiday snaps showed her on a treadmill and on waterslides in Dubai.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4238667/Disability-benefit-cheat-caught-on-rollercoaster.htmlGrasping Debra Allan, 49, who lied that she could barely walk, was jailed for 18 months yesterday.
In five years the ex hairdresser squandered cash she fiddled on holidays to Dubai, Laos and Thailand. In one year alone she spent FIVE MONTHS in Italy.
Mum-of-three Allan — who got the all-clear after a hysterectomy for cervical cancer in 2003 — claimed she took 15 minutes to walk 30 yards.
She said she needed a mobility scooter, plus help getting out of bed, using the toilet and someone to cook and give her medication.
But holiday snaps showed her on a treadmill and on waterslides in Dubai.
TheSun said:
A BENEFIT cheat who claimed he could barely walk has been jailed — after he was caught riding a rollercoaster at Alton Towers.
Joseph Smith, 41, of Runcorn, Cheshire, said he could only walk eight metres without suffering severe discomfort.
But fraud investigators caught him staying on his feet for long periods at the Staffordshire theme park, as well as enjoying himself on the rides.
He was also filmed lifting bundles of traffic cones while working as a car park marshall under a fake name.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4120277/Disability-benefit-cheat-Albert-Davies-filmed-playing-golf.htmlJoseph Smith, 41, of Runcorn, Cheshire, said he could only walk eight metres without suffering severe discomfort.
But fraud investigators caught him staying on his feet for long periods at the Staffordshire theme park, as well as enjoying himself on the rides.
He was also filmed lifting bundles of traffic cones while working as a car park marshall under a fake name.
TheSun said:
A GOLF-loving benefits cheat has narrowly avoided jail after being filmed on the green while claiming he could hardly move.
Albert Davies, 68, claimed nearly £30,000 in five years after saying his rheumatoid arthritis meant he could not get in and out of the shower.
Davies, who got the highest level of Disability Living Allowance, also told officials that he needed his wife’s help to cut his food.
He was rumbled when investigators filmed him playing golf in Sutton Coldfield, West Mids, several times.
Albert Davies, 68, claimed nearly £30,000 in five years after saying his rheumatoid arthritis meant he could not get in and out of the shower.
Davies, who got the highest level of Disability Living Allowance, also told officials that he needed his wife’s help to cut his food.
He was rumbled when investigators filmed him playing golf in Sutton Coldfield, West Mids, several times.
rich1231 said:
So what if its difficult. Life is difficult, should not stop people from trying.
And please understand that those who can generally are keen to do so. And will fight tooth and nail to get a job. However there are those (usually the ones either not actually ill or not as ill as they make out) who will exaggerate their conditions to avoid having to do anything.But the truly ill should not suffer as a result.
uk_vette said:
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Sorry a little OT.
Does any one know why we still give money away, when we quite clearly need the money in UK ?
Vette
I assume as a humanitarian gesture to support the real starving in the world, or as a PR exercise to try to boost UK trade exports. Either is money better spent than spending cash on the workshy in this country. I'd much rather £100 of tax payers money is spent ensuring a dozen children sat on a desert dust bowl crawling with flies get a bowl of rice and some basic medicine than paying for some slob's Sky subscription.Sorry a little OT.
Does any one know why we still give money away, when we quite clearly need the money in UK ?
Vette
To the OP, unfortunately the culture we have somehow ended up with in this country has meant the real needy in this country will lose out. The examples you gave obviously require our support as many of us may need if we lose our health. The abusers of the system spoil is for all of us and they are the real people that should be targetted.
Sorry for the rant.
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