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unrepentant
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Countdown said: Ah well.....I'm sure your other statements are based on fact. 
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Countdown
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BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this.
. I have zero problem with people needing ID in order to vote. I would have problems if one Party was using this as a tactic to stop a certain section of the population voting.
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unrepentant
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BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this. With the greatest of respect... are you a voter in the US elections? Are you a poor American who does not passess a driving license or passport? Are you a poor US voter in certain states who is concerned that your democratic right to vote as enshrined in the 15th amendment of the constitution of the United States (and others) is being compromised by a new law that requires you to produce 3 different forms of ID that you do not have in order to get an ID card that you cannot afford, without which you can't vote? If the answer to these questions is no then I would respectfully suggest that, whilst you may be "more than happy to show ID to vote", your willingness to do so is not pertinent to this situation.
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Jimbeaux
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BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this.
What are the main policy differences between the Republicans and the Democrats regards the Economy and deficit ? Surely more important than the mud slinging arguments. Thank you very much; ISSUES!
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Jimbeaux
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unrepentant said: Anyone noticed a contrast?
All those with sensible views post facts with sources and links.....
One person (a habitual offender on many threads) makes wild, innacurate statements to support his own extreme right wing, often completely moronic views, never backs them up with one jot of evidence and then refers to anyone who doesn't agree with him or challenges him as "not very bright" or otherwise attempts to patronise and insult them.
It would be funny if he wasn't quite typical of a lot of "not very bright" people who spout this garbage ad nauseum in the hope that other "not very bright" people will hear it enough times to believe it. It seems to be the main republican election strategy! I subnit that many such observations can be as attributable to yourself as well.
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BenM77
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Countdown said: BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this.
. I have zero problem with people needing ID in order to vote. I would have problems if one Party was using this as a tactic to stop a certain section of the population voting. I just don't see it, but then I know very little about US politics. You can't just walk in and vote in the UK, I don't see it as an issue. If someone is a legitimate US Citizen then wouldn't they have ID anyway ?
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Jimbeaux
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TheHeretic said: Jimbeaux said: CommanderJameson said: Jimbeaux said: As was pointed out by another poster living here; many he works with, both Dems and GOPers have admitted seeing or being asked to participate in some voter inpropriety. All national elections are handled at a state level as far as vote tally; therefore, not every case is publicised. It goes on, it does happen. Having a proper ID keeps it in check. It also prevents illegal aliens from being registered as voters. An ID ensures that a person is a resident of a particular county, which is a legal requirement to vote in said county. I am amazed at how you lot argue this. Well, that's me convinced. Next up: how Romney would have totally sorted out the economy and made America rich, in stark contrast to Barack Failbama. Whatever. Don't hurt yourself over this. Americans use state-level IDs for everything, always have. The few states that did not are catching up. It is a dead issue, the courts of appeal have decided in most of the cases, let's move on. I have never seen a group of forum-goers that put so much energy in what amounts to no more than a tangeant; we are pole vaulting over mouse turds here. A few points, Jim, well, 2... *We were asking for evidence of the voter fraud, busing people about to vote for dead people, and people being paid to do this by organisations, etc. this was your claim, and despite people providing stuff to the contrary, you still seem to be claiming that, whilst not bothering, (or failing), to find any actual evidence. *Why are you trying to turn the separate 'evidence for voter fraud' thing into the ID thing, which are frankly separate issues, (when it comes to providing evidence). *Where have you gotten your information from, and do you consider that source to be suspect if you can find zero evidence of the claims? As I stated earlier, national elections are handled at a state by state level, not federally. Many do not post their findings, nor must they; they simply work to mitigate them. Another poster here, with access to both DEM and GOP officials in another state has stated the same.
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TheHeretic
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Jimbeaux said: As I stated earlier, national elections are handled at a state by state level, not federally. Many do not post their findings, nor must they; they simply work to mitigate them. Another poster here, with access to both DEM and GOP officials in another state has stated the same. So no evidence then, just anecdotal evidence from men in pubs?
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Jimbeaux
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Countdown said: Jimbeaux said: Countdown said: Jimbeaux said: As was pointed out by another poster living here; many he works with, both Dems and GOPers have admitted seeing or being asked to participate in some voter inpropriety. All national elections are handled at a state level as far as vote tally; therefore, not every case is publicised. It goes on There seems to be more evidence on the Internet to support the existence of aliens, the existence of Elvis, and the moon landings being faked than there does of voter fraud. Jimbeaux - do you have any evidence AT ALL of your assertions ? No, I made it all up. Refer to my answer to Commander Jameson; it is a mute issue. You made fairly strong assertions and then said there was plenty of evidence to support this. The fact that, despite LOTS of people asking for this "evidence" you have failed to provide any at all does indeed tend to suggest you've made it up. Ah well.....I'm sure your other statements are based on fact. Nah, they are probably made up as well. See Unrepentent for solidity in all things knowing. 
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Countdown
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BenM77 said: Countdown said: BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this.
. I have zero problem with people needing ID in order to vote. I would have problems if one Party was using this as a tactic to stop a certain section of the population voting. I just don't see it, but then I know very little about US politics. ? The NAACP are saying this will adversely effect minorities and poor people. A survey by the University of Wisconsin said much the same.
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Jimbeaux
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Countdown said: BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this.
. I have zero problem with people needing ID in order to vote. I would have problems if one Party was using this as a tactic to stop a certain section of the population voting. Then why do you think it is a party using it as such? It really is no more sinister than a few holdout states catching up to the rest. As I said before, Dems and GOPers support this. There will always a group (on both sides) that says something more sinister is afoot. Is that reasonable?
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Jimbeaux
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unrepentant said: BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this. With the greatest of respect... are you a voter in the US elections? Are you a poor American who does not passess a driving license or passport? Are you a poor US voter in certain states who is concerned that your democratic right to vote as enshrined in the 15th amendment of the constitution of the United States (and others) is being compromised by a new law that requires you to produce 3 different forms of ID that you do not have in order to get an ID card that you cannot afford, without which you can't vote? If the answer to these questions is no then I would respectfully suggest that, whilst you may be "more than happy to show ID to vote", your willingness to do so is not pertinent to this situation. There you have it Ben, Unrepentent has declared you not pertinent to this situation. 
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Jimbeaux
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TheHeretic said: Jimbeaux said: As I stated earlier, national elections are handled at a state by state level, not federally. Many do not post their findings, nor must they; they simply work to mitigate them. Another poster here, with access to both DEM and GOP officials in another state has stated the same. So no evidence then, just anecdotal evidence from men in pubs? Of course.
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TheHeretic
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Jimbeaux said: There you have it Ben, Unrepentent has declared you not pertinent to this situation. Come on Jim, you have talked about the same sort of thing... About why Brits are so bothered by a US election and the like. Let he who is free of sin...
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Jimbeaux
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Countdown said: BenM77 said: Countdown said: BenM77 said: As someone who has been reading this thread for interest, I have to agree with Jimbeaux about the ID cards. I am more than happy to show ID to vote and find it odd for anyone to oppose this.
. I have zero problem with people needing ID in order to vote. I would have problems if one Party was using this as a tactic to stop a certain section of the population voting. I just don't see it, but then I know very little about US politics. ? The NAACP are saying this will adversely effect minorities and poor people. A survey by the University of Wisconsin said much the same. The NAACP?? As I said, certain groups at one fringe of one party or another. I am sure the BNP would say that New Labour's policies hurt their members as well.
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TheHeretic
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Jimbeaux said: Of course. I am quite taken aback with your utter unashamed lack of interest in actual evidence. I find a stance like that quite odd.
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unrepentant
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BenM77 said: I just don't see it, but then I know very little about US politics.
You can't just walk in and vote in the UK, I don't see it as an issue. Umm.. are you sure? I voted in many UK elections. You get a polling card in the post, you go along to your polling station, give your name to the clerk who crosses it off a list and gives you a voting slip. You go in to a booth, make your mark and put the slip in the box. I have never been asked for ID.
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Countdown
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TheHeretic said: Jimbeaux said: There you have it Ben, Unrepentent has declared you not pertinent to this situation. Come on Jim, you have talked about the same sort of thing... About why Brits are so bothered by a US election and the like. Let he who is free of sin... ....cast the first stone. Only problem there is Ben never threw one but was declared inpertinent anyway.
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Jimbeaux
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TheHeretic said: Jimbeaux said: Of course. I am quite taken aback with your utter unashamed lack of interest in actual evidence. I find a stance like that quite odd. Do you really believe that some groups within certain states do not perpertrate voter fraud? Do you believe those states, when given the opportunity to handle in house (as they usually are), are going to aire that they let such a thing slip by them? Please take a moment, paddle ouside the circling sharks, and think about what I just said.
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