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stevejh

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Alfa numeric said:
From the BBC:


BBC Article said:
Economy Mitt Romney Would reduce the corporate income tax rate, cut "non-security discretionary spending" by 5% and "tear down the vast edifice of regulations the Obama Administration has imposed on the economy"

Healthcare Would repeal Barack Obama's 2010 healthcare overhaul, even though it is conceptually similar to a plan he supported in Massachusetts; would encourage individuals to purchase their own health insurance rather than rely on their employers

Immigration Would make English the official language of the US and "turn off the magnets like tuition breaks or other breaks that draw people into this country illegally"

National security "It's worth working with the insurgents in the country to encourage regime change in the country. And if all else fails, if after all the work we've done there's nothing else we can do besides take military action then of course you take military action. It is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon"

Social issues Would defend a US law barring federal recognition of same-sex marriages; supports allowing states to ban abortion.
That seems to be quite a divisive set of policies.
I think there's a bit of selective quoting their by the Beeb and most of those policies seem no more divisive than Obama's. It all depends from where you are looking at them.

Alfa numeric

2,414 posts

49 months

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stevejh said:
I think there's a bit of selective quoting their by the Beeb and most of those policies seem no more divisive than Obama's. It all depends from where you are looking at them.
To be fair to the BBC I think the purpose of the article was to show the differences between the candidates and those areas are the ones either most important to target voters and/or where they differ most.

And I'm sure you're right about Obama. smile

Puggit

29,670 posts

118 months

Jimbeaux

25,725 posts

101 months

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Marf said:
audidoody said:
Did he have a passport before this trip?
Chortle
Romney is not only well travelled, he has spent considerable time overseas on charitable missions as well as business.

Jimbeaux

25,725 posts

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Guybrush said:
I wonder if our 'opinions' are being manipulated by the left-leaning areas of the UK media.
Do ya' think? The short answer is YES! hehe
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Marf

22,907 posts

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Jimbeaux said:
Guybrush said:
I wonder if our 'opinions' are being manipulated by the left-leaning areas of the UK media.
Do ya' think? The short answer is YES! hehe
I suppose we do have to praise the US media, at least they staple their bias to the flag pole and wear it proudly. smile

Jimbeaux

25,725 posts

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martin84 said:
Just another in a long line of gormless gorillas put up by the Republicans. George H W Bush may have been tactless but his son took idiocy to a whole new level. McCain was just embarassing and any group of people that vote for a ticket with Palin on it shouldn't be allowed outside.

Romney is a very dangerous individual, the last few years have been quite nice knowing a Republican warmonger hasn't been residing in the White House. The problem is no matter how useless Romney may be, Republican voters would vote for some livestock if it wore a GOP badge.
You continue to portray a shallowness that boggles the mind! hehe

stevejh

599 posts

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Marf said:
I suppose we do have to praise the US media, at least they staple their bias to the flag pole and wear it proudly. smile
Do they really? It seems that they, like the BBC, claim to be impartial and balanced but spend most of their time propagandising for one or other of the Democrats or Republicans and apart from Fox (who are clearly on the side of the Republicans and really do seem to make no bones about it) most of the other TV stations seem to be very much on message with Obama.



Willie Dee

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Jimbeaux said:
Romney is not only well travelled, he has spent considerable time overseas on charitable missions as well as business.
When you say charitable missions, are you talking about his Missionaries of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where he tries to convince people to join his cult of worshipping Joseph Smith and his made up golden plates that god gave him?

Marf

22,907 posts

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stevejh said:
Do they really? It seems that they, like the BBC, claim to be impartial and balanced but spend most of their time propagandising for one or other of the Democrats or Republicans and apart from Fox (who are clearly on the side of the Republicans and really do seem to make no bones about it) most of the other TV stations seem to be very much on message with Obama.

Regardless of any claim of impartiality, it's pretty clear when you draw comparisons that their bias is way more overt than our news outlets. To me anyways.

As you say Fox is basically the Republican party's propaganda outlet and pretty much everyone else is batting for the Dems.

rohrl

3,927 posts

15 months

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Willie Dee said:
Jimbeaux said:
Romney is not only well travelled, he has spent considerable time overseas on charitable missions as well as business.
When you say charitable missions, are you talking about his Missionaries of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where he tries to convince people to join his cult of worshipping Joseph Smith and his made up golden plates that god gave him?
That would be the same Mormon church who actively, and I mean actively, discriminated against black people until 1978, at which time Romney was 31 years old so had remained an active member of an explicitly racist organisation for 13 years as an adult.

stevejh

599 posts

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Marf said:
stevejh said:
Do they really? It seems that they, like the BBC, claim to be impartial and balanced but spend most of their time propagandising for one or other of the Democrats or Republicans and apart from Fox (who are clearly on the side of the Republicans and really do seem to make no bones about it) most of the other TV stations seem to be very much on message with Obama.

Regardless of any claim of impartiality, it's pretty clear when you draw comparisons that their bias is way more overt than our news outlets. To me anyways.

As you say Fox is basically the Republican party's propaganda outlet and pretty much everyone else is batting for the Dems.
Absolutely. Some of the bias makes our party political broadcasts look balanced.

Jimbeaux

25,725 posts

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Folks, Obama has added as much debt in 3.5 years as Bush did in 8.

All Presidents running for a second term have run on their record, but not Obama. His record on all topics important to Americans is dismal, therefore, he relys on attacks alone (something he said in 2008 nobody should do). Cinton came out on TV and stated that Romney's time at Bain was "sterling". The Democratic Mayor of New Jersey slammed Obama for "attacking success and instigating class warfare were is did not exist". Diane Feinstein, Senior Democratic Senator, stated that "recent slew of security leaks are coming from the White House and must stop".

Simply put, this nation is designed to function as a free enterprise-centric republic. Romney understands very well how that works. Romney has at no time pushed his religion or even let it surface in his daily managerial methods. You will never see this in the U.K, but during his tenure at Bain, he shut the company down for a period and jetted every employee that would agree to a state where a mid level employee's daughter had gone missing to help in the search and assistance of the father. SOund like a real "dangerous man" there. rolleyes

Bottom line, are we better off than four years ago? No. Unemployment has been at or above 8.2% for over 40 straight months for the first time in history. Obama's tactic is to spend more tax money on "stimulus". The first trillion failed, what will the next one do? He wants to raise taxes on the "rich" ($250K a year with that being total worth of a business), who already pay the majority of tax. The Congressional Budget Office has admitted that the revenues his hike would raise would run the government for 8 days. Therefore, his tactic is obviously not for monetary solutions but rather a divisive tactic to fan the flame of class warefare.
Democrats touted Obama's second run as the first ever "Billion Dollar campaigne". Well, so far, Romney has outraised him three months running and has yet to fully unlease his funds. While Obama runs on divisive rhetoric instead of his dismal record, Romney will continue to speak about the economy and things that matter.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 2nd August 14:49

Marf

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stevejh said:
Absolutely. Some of the bias makes our party political broadcasts look balanced.
Indeed, I very much doubt we'd ever see one of our media figures fake cry at a public political rally.

Mermaid

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41 months

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rohrl said:
That would be the same Mormon church who actively, and I mean actively, discriminated against black people until 1978, at which time Romney was 31 years old so had remained an active member of an explicitly racist organisation for 13 years as an adult.
Maybe that is why is not so bothered about the discrimination against the Palestinians wink

Marf

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Jimbeaux said:
Romney will continue to speak about the economy and things that matter.
Shame that the "things that matter" to Romney including discrimination against homosexuals with regards to marriage and equal spousal rights and seeking to empower states to ban abortion.

But then the social agenda never was a strong point of the GOP.

This isn't a leftie dig by the way Jim, you should know from reading my posts that I'm all for small government, low taxes and minimal state interference.

It's just a shame that the small government ideal doesn't apply for gays or women.

Jimbeaux

25,725 posts

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Marf said:
Jimbeaux said:
Romney will continue to speak about the economy and things that matter.
Shame that the "things that matter" to Romney including discrimination against homosexuals with regards to marriage and equal spousal rights and seeking to empower states to ban abortion.

But then the social agenda never was a strong point of the GOP.

This isn't a leftie dig by the way Jim, you should know from reading my posts that I'm all for small government, low taxes and minimal state interference.

It's just a shame that the small government ideal doesn't apply for gays or women.
You are correct that small government, business, etc is the main thing with most Americans. The gay and abortion type issues garner massive publicity but does not weigh in at even top ten on the issue list for the vast majority of Americans.
To your point; Romney simply stated that he personally believes marriage is defined as between one man and one woman (nothing about hating gays, etc). His view happens to be shared by the vast majority of Americans. Remember, his, as all Republicans' focus, is on states rights as opposed to heavy-handed Federalism. That philiosophy allows states whose majority agree with gay marriage to make it so and those against to do the same. Obama prefers to force his views on all Americans through Federal intervention. It is hard to get fairer than that IMO.

Marf

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Fair enough, just seems like federally sanctioned discrimination to me smile

Jimbeaux

25,725 posts

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Marf said:
Fair enough, just seems like federally sanctioned discrimination to me smile
Like I said, Obama seeks to impose his views federally. Romney wants the states to decide. smile

Marf

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And by doing so the Federal government is essentially consenting to state sanctioned discrimination. I guess you could say FGov is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

As you say, neither issue is in the top 10 of most American's political interests, so it strikes me that neither Romney nor Obama should cop much criticism for enshrining into federal law equal rights for homosexuals and empowering all women to have sole control over their body, i.e. these issues should not be partisan.

Jim, I know you and I are unlikely to agree on this, I just find it amazing that in a country that champions equality and individuality that certain demographics are not equal and the federal government chooses to allow them to be discriminated against where really they should be standing up for their individual rights to equality.

Anyway, lets not let these issues become the focus of this thread smile
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