The end of the coalition?
Discussion
crankedup said:
Cameron has been done up like a kipper by his own back benches, he made it his business to persuade his bank benches to provide a yes vote to the Lib-Dems Lords reform , he failed. The Lib-Dems dropped their policy regarding student loans as part of the Coalition agreement, they had to stand by the agreement. Its now time for the Conservatives to stand by their part of the agreement, they have failed to do so and for this reason the Lib-Dems are punishing the Conservatives by suggesting they will block any vote regarding the 'Boundary changes'. It is being put out in the long grass until after the next General Election. The Boundary changes package was not linked directly to the Lords Reform deal.
His backbenchers are utter fools. The Lords reform could easily have been strung out. The boundary changes were crucial, even if they were nowehere near enough. The LibDems, on the other hand, are self-serving scum. Their only interest in government has been to try to push throiugh policies that nobody wants solely to improve the electoral position of the LibDems.Elroy Blue said:
Zod said:
Sorry, but you are the one speaking nonsense. Expenditure is still increasing. It has not been cut.
I must be imagining the culling of the armed Forces and Police!!Read my post. They are destroying our country's infrastructure, while throwing money away elsewhere. Justify a 40+ percent increase in the 'aid' budget. It's indefensible.
But I never voted Conservative so they could cut the Armed Forces and the Police.
However Cameron is also the ace negotiator, who'd like to renegotiate with Europe but whatever happens won't ever leave the EU.
UKIP has my vote.
AJS- said:
A Labour government is what the country needs - bankruptcy, debt default, and the fantastic spectacle of a Labour government ]i]having[/i] to make big cuts to all their grandiose spending plans, as opposed the pitiful spectacle of a Con/Lib coalition not daring to.
That isn't what would happen though is it?Labour would get in and turn on the spending taps, just enough to increase GDP growth and an illusion of wealth but not recklessly enough to endanger default.
People would see it as a success and vote Labour back for a second term, by which time the debt will get unmanageable.
Then the Tories will be back for another single term of austerity medicine to be followed by 2 terms of Labour largesse.
And so on.
Essentially, the British public are selfish and want now - pay later, hence will vote Labour.
chris watton said:
Murph7355 said:
Have said it before, but I still think it's our fault, the electorate, why they are unable to move.
Every time a cut is tabled we, stoked up by our beloved media, go up in arms about it as every self interest group comes out of the woodwork. We are no better than the Greeks we scoff at.
I actually find myself feeling sorry for the govt. which is very worrying.
Even if seemingly forced, I do not see Labour being any more able to make cuts than the current lot.
This is the frustrating thing, I am sure that 'WE' (the majority?) don't get stoked up - it is the media /'fat cat' union bosses/self interest groups that make it 'seem' that the 'whole country' is up in arms.Every time a cut is tabled we, stoked up by our beloved media, go up in arms about it as every self interest group comes out of the woodwork. We are no better than the Greeks we scoff at.
I actually find myself feeling sorry for the govt. which is very worrying.
Even if seemingly forced, I do not see Labour being any more able to make cuts than the current lot.
trumpton and plod pay a lot for their 1/2 final salary pensions after 30 years service
the NHS , teachers and most of the rest of the moderate and low paid public sector are increasingly getting less pension with normal pension ages rising - regardless of how long you've paid in and ever increasingly employee contributions - again rabble rousing when the media say that PS workers pay 6 % for pension 'that might cost 33% of salary to get privately ' and ignore the every rising contributions from worker,s the increasing move to career average rather than final salary ( New entrants to the Doc and Dentists scheme are on CARE) ...
Zod said:
It's mere pennies.
Is there a face palm smiley!It's £14 billion f
king pounds. Cameron keeps telling us every penny counts. You can't have it both ways. £14 billion would go a long way in stopping the culling of the Forces and the Police. But I suppose it's Ok when Cameron talks b
ks, after all, he's 'Conservative'....isn't he???Elroy Blue said:
Zod said:
It's mere pennies.
Is there a face palm smiley!It's £14 billion f
king pounds. Cameron keeps telling us every penny counts. You can't have it both ways. £14 billion would go a long way in stopping the culling of the Forces and the Police. But I suppose it's Ok when Cameron talks b
ks, after all, he's 'Conservative'....isn't he???If Cameron has cut the absurd police pensions then he should be given a medal for it.
oyster said:
I can't go 5 minutes living in London without seeing a police car or person - there aren't any cuts.
If Cameron has cut the absurd police pensions then he should be given a medal for it.
Well, they say ignorance is bliss. You must be very happy. If Cameron has cut the absurd police pensions then he should be given a medal for it.
See all those Police in London at the moment. That's because we've all had a ban in leave and days off and thousands have been sent to Lindon to make everything look rosey.
Unfortunately, that leaves everywhere else devoid of Officers to do normal stuff. But you haven't seen the reality, so it mustn't be happening. Cameron must be laughing his socks off that there are so many gullible people around.
It's like Comical Ali in the Gulf war all over again.
oyster said:
I can't go 5 minutes living in London without seeing a police car or person - there aren't any cuts.
If Cameron has cut the absurd police pensions then he should be given a medal for it.
Oyster, eh? You live underwater and keep your shell shut then.If Cameron has cut the absurd police pensions then he should be given a medal for it.
Police nunbers will be slashed by over 20%, well over in fact, by the end of next year. Your subjective view is contradicted by the facts.
And the absurd police pension? Is that the one where contributions used to be 12% of gross in real terms but has since been increased dramatically. From the information I have it is the highest contribution of any public service.
Aren't any cuts, eh? I would point out that there aren't any cuts to Cameron's prot squad.
Derek Smith said:
oyster said:
I can't go 5 minutes living in London without seeing a police car or person - there aren't any cuts.
If Cameron has cut the absurd police pensions then he should be given a medal for it.
Oyster, eh? You live underwater and keep your shell shut then.If Cameron has cut the absurd police pensions then he should be given a medal for it.
Police nunbers will be slashed by over 20%, well over in fact by the end of next year. Your subjective view is contradicted by the facts.
Possibly posts being cut so far are the ones that cost more money and involve braid at desks, making little or no visible impact on the streets. Do we know?
And what about Boris, is it too much for some to acknowledge he has been arguing against BiB cuts and might even have had some success in opposing them - which would tie in with oyster's observations, so far at least. Next year might be different.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/201...
BTW the end of the coalition is scheduled on / after 07 May 2015.
martin84 said:
Elroy Blue said:
Frontline cuts have been happening for more than the last 12 months. Oyster is very wrong. But what do I know. I'm only a frontline Police Officer.
Further evidence of the fallacy of judging nationwide matters from within ones London bubble perhaps?Elroy Blue said:
Well, they say ignorance is bliss. You must be very happy.
See all those Police in London at the moment. That's because we've all had a ban in leave and days off and thousands have been sent to Lindon to make everything look rosey.
Unfortunately, that leaves everywhere else devoid of Officers to do normal stuff. But you haven't seen the reality, so it mustn't be happening. Cameron must be laughing his socks off that there are so many gullible people around.
It's like Comical Ali in the Gulf war all over again.
That's not entirely true. There was one in a local village on saturday handing out stickers to children riding bikes for wearing helmets.See all those Police in London at the moment. That's because we've all had a ban in leave and days off and thousands have been sent to Lindon to make everything look rosey.
Unfortunately, that leaves everywhere else devoid of Officers to do normal stuff. But you haven't seen the reality, so it mustn't be happening. Cameron must be laughing his socks off that there are so many gullible people around.
It's like Comical Ali in the Gulf war all over again.
Johnson's website claimed there are 722 more officers than official Metropolitan Police figures showed. Not that the Met would want to paint a bleak picture to protect its funding.
According to Labour Matters, BackBoris2012 over-claimed on numbers for 28 of the 32 London boroughs. Not that Boris would want to paint a rosy picture of the position to help his cause.
As to what the actual score is, I doubt that information recieved by front line BiB from any of the Met, PolFed, Labour or Boris is accurate. There are too many vested interests. As such, oyster's disinterested view from their experience is as worthy as propaganda from any official or semi-official source.
According to Labour Matters, BackBoris2012 over-claimed on numbers for 28 of the 32 London boroughs. Not that Boris would want to paint a rosy picture of the position to help his cause.
As to what the actual score is, I doubt that information recieved by front line BiB from any of the Met, PolFed, Labour or Boris is accurate. There are too many vested interests. As such, oyster's disinterested view from their experience is as worthy as propaganda from any official or semi-official source.
martin84 said:
Zod said:
Or perhaps of the fallacy of judging overall national expenditure from within the bubble of one's own profession.
Well somebody who is a Police officer should be able to answer the simple question of whether there's less Police officers or not.0000 said:
That's not entirely true. There was one in a local village on saturday handing out stickers to children riding bikes for wearing helmets.
There was one walking with a plastic plod through the pedestrianised area of our town centre yesterday.Not the same one you saw, probably
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