Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2
Discussion
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
I think the wording of the question will not fool anyone into voting against their views.
It's not about fooling, it's about leading.It's easier in the mind to 'agree' to certain questions.
We can probably drop the question of 'the question' for now, seeing as the Electoral Commission will do testing and such things to remove bias.
Although I think the Electoral Commission may be an anti-independence body...
The danger for Westminster (as they discovered early doors) is that being seen to bully the SG into taking on their requirements for the referendum will result in a negative reaction from the electorate...
Edited by ViperPict on Monday 15th October 14:14
ViperPict said:
I recall the proposed question had already been reviewed and regarded as not leading by some leading political academic a while back...
Came up in conversation with a psychology graduate friend of mine, who said it was basically a "textbook example" of a leading question.simoid said:
ViperPict said:
I recall the proposed question had already been reviewed and regarded as not leading by some leading political academic a while back...
Came up in conversation with a psychology graduate friend of mine, who said it was basically a "textbook example" of a leading question.ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
I recall the proposed question had already been reviewed and regarded as not leading by some leading political academic a while back...
Came up in conversation with a psychology graduate friend of mine, who said it was basically a "textbook example" of a leading question.simoid said:
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
I recall the proposed question had already been reviewed and regarded as not leading by some leading political academic a while back...
Came up in conversation with a psychology graduate friend of mine, who said it was basically a "textbook example" of a leading question.ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
I recall the proposed question had already been reviewed and regarded as not leading by some leading political academic a while back...
Came up in conversation with a psychology graduate friend of mine, who said it was basically a "textbook example" of a leading question.And, as I said earlier, I do agree that Scotland should be an independent country. However, I think we're better off in the UK so have to vote the opposite of my opinion in the event of that being the referendum question
I can't possibly read all forty pages to catch up....but something that just crossed my mind as I spotted this back in the news...
Am I right in assuming most of an Independent Scotland's income would generated from North Sea oil?
If so, that's a pretty finite resource for a 'new' country to set up on is it not? Could they challenge the remainder of the UK in the financial sector for income generation?
I'm sure a lot of thought has gone into this, but I can't help but 'think' the UK would be better off without Scotland. Which isn't necessarily a good thing.
Am I right in assuming most of an Independent Scotland's income would generated from North Sea oil?
If so, that's a pretty finite resource for a 'new' country to set up on is it not? Could they challenge the remainder of the UK in the financial sector for income generation?
I'm sure a lot of thought has gone into this, but I can't help but 'think' the UK would be better off without Scotland. Which isn't necessarily a good thing.
ViperPict said:
Article said:
The deal will also commit both governments to working together constructively in the best interests of the people of Scotland, whatever the outcome of the referendum.
I take it that both houses will all resign then and do something constructive that benefits the UK as a whole like picking up dog pooh and at no point getting involved with anything that actually mattersdirty boy said:
I can't possibly read all forty pages to catch up....but something that just crossed my mind as I spotted this back in the news...
Am I right in assuming most of an Independent Scotland's income would generated from North Sea oil?
If so, that's a pretty finite resource for a 'new' country to set up on is it not? Could they challenge the remainder of the UK in the financial sector for income generation?
I'm sure a lot of thought has gone into this, but I can't help but 'think' the UK would be better off without Scotland. Which isn't necessarily a good thing.
No, most of Scotland's revenue will not be from oil.Am I right in assuming most of an Independent Scotland's income would generated from North Sea oil?
If so, that's a pretty finite resource for a 'new' country to set up on is it not? Could they challenge the remainder of the UK in the financial sector for income generation?
I'm sure a lot of thought has gone into this, but I can't help but 'think' the UK would be better off without Scotland. Which isn't necessarily a good thing.
Just been nosing on the ONS website and the % public sector employees (of population) is interesting:
Eng 19.4
Wal 26.2
Sco 23.8
I'd naively assumed that Scotland would be a higher % than that, more in line with Wales. That said it's a higher burden on the wealth-generating portion of the population than England has to support, could it be a big problem for the Scots should they achieve independence?
How many jobs would have to relocate to either side of the border and who would be the net gainers/losers?
Eng 19.4
Wal 26.2
Sco 23.8
I'd naively assumed that Scotland would be a higher % than that, more in line with Wales. That said it's a higher burden on the wealth-generating portion of the population than England has to support, could it be a big problem for the Scots should they achieve independence?
How many jobs would have to relocate to either side of the border and who would be the net gainers/losers?
IainT said:
Just been nosing on the ONS website and the % public sector employees (of population) is interesting:
Eng 19.4
Wal 26.2
Sco 23.8
I'd naively assumed that Scotland would be a higher % than that, more in line with Wales. That said it's a higher burden on the wealth-generating portion of the population than England has to support, could it be a big problem for the Scots should they achieve independence?
How many jobs would have to relocate to either side of the border and who would be the net gainers/losers?
Note that this is % public sector emplyment currently and that the SG are actively 'streamlining' that (e.g., the single police force).Eng 19.4
Wal 26.2
Sco 23.8
I'd naively assumed that Scotland would be a higher % than that, more in line with Wales. That said it's a higher burden on the wealth-generating portion of the population than England has to support, could it be a big problem for the Scots should they achieve independence?
How many jobs would have to relocate to either side of the border and who would be the net gainers/losers?
ViperPict said:
You know earlier when you didn't read the time line in the link I posted? Thats the same link.good work!
ViperPict said:
Note that this is % public sector emplyment currently and that the SG are actively 'streamlining' that (e.g., the single police force).
Interestingly the figures on the ONS site show that the % in England dropped 1% 2011Q1 to 2012Q2 but only 0.4% in Scotland (and went up in Wales). With the necessity of duplicating portions of Westminster has there been a reasonable estimate of changes. IIRC there is a fair amount of UK PS work up in Scotland that would need to come back to England so I'm not touting an agenda. I'm genuinely interested in how that will play out and, indeed, if the billions to separate the countries are really viable.Not that I actually think Scotland will vote for separation when it comes to the crunch.
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