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Caulkhead
4,938 posts
26 months
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Edinburger said: Caulkhead said: Edinburger said: ViperPict said: Anyway, this angle suggests that Scameron is just playing lip service to the independence issue... [url]http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4583232/David-Cameron-has-just-27-seconds-to-save-the-Union.html[url] Not sure if he cares or not about the Union, hard to tell. Apologies in advance for the poor quality of the linked periodical, I don't subscribe to it.  Given that we have more pandas in Scotland than Conservative MPs I doubt very much if he cares that much. Probably just lip service. We know all about the Labour vote, etc., etc. I've explained the internal tory view before - long term losing 5m socialist voters is a good thing, short term, no leader of any political party wants to preside over the separation of Scotland from the union. It's not really lip service, it's just not that important in the grand scale of things and unlike Scotland which needs to take a huge leap of faith, the rest of the UK remains in pretty much the same place with or without Scotland. And there's part of the problem... do you really think the rest of the UK would just wave Scotland goodbye and carry on as if nothing has happened? Think about it. I've thought about it in detail for a long time - I need to because I own property in Scotland, half my family live there and my BiL is an SNP candidate. The answer is simply yes - it'll make next to bugger all difference to the remaining 90%+ that makes up the UK.
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London424
2,700 posts
44 months
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Edinburger said: London424 said: TheHeretic said: ViperPict said: By 'details' do they mean snippets, or the whole document? I've read that link a few times now and I'm still not sure what it means. What is the reference to 26,000 responses? The SG ran a referendum consultation on the paper and principles which was published earlier this year. That's an impressive amount of answers and analysis. I assume all the doom and gloom merchants on here contributed? When I asked before (Vol I) no one had. Thanks for that. What sort of questions were asked? If its easier to link then please do.
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ViperPict
8,405 posts
106 months
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simoid said: ViperPict said: Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support... No I don't, you ignorant troll. I bet that you actually do...
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Phil1
458 posts
151 months
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Edinburger said: And there's part of the problem... do you really think the rest of the UK would just wave Scotland goodbye and carry on as if nothing has happened? Think about it. You're really hoping someone's going to beg you to stay aren't you. Carry on flouncing.
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simoid
8,286 posts
27 months
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ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support... No I don't, you ignorant troll. I bet that you actually do... See previous reply 
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ViperPict
8,405 posts
106 months
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simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support... No I don't, you ignorant troll. I bet that you actually do... See previous reply Ditto
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simoid
8,286 posts
27 months
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ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support... No I don't, you ignorant troll. I bet that you actually do... See previous reply Ditto Rest assured, my position on independence is based on my economic cost/benefit analysis of breaking up the UK vs not doing so, as stated months ago on this thread 
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ViperPict
8,405 posts
106 months
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simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support... No I don't, you ignorant troll. I bet that you actually do... See previous reply Ditto Rest assured, my position on independence is based on my economic cost/benefit analysis of breaking up the UK vs not doing so, as stated months ago on this thread On the face of it but deep down...
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simoid
8,286 posts
27 months
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ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support... No I don't, you ignorant troll. I bet that you actually do... See previous reply Ditto Rest assured, my position on independence is based on my economic cost/benefit analysis of breaking up the UK vs not doing so, as stated months ago on this thread On the face of it but deep down... I'd love us to be independent, but I also love being part of the UK. Since I don't believe independence would result in greater prosperity or freedom, it's easy for me to happily vote against it.
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ViperPict
8,405 posts
106 months
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simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: simoid said: ViperPict said: Shame that you decide your position on something as important as our constitution is based on what football team you support... No I don't, you ignorant troll. I bet that you actually do... See previous reply Ditto Rest assured, my position on independence is based on my economic cost/benefit analysis of breaking up the UK vs not doing so, as stated months ago on this thread On the face of it but deep down... I'd love us to be independent, but I also love being part of the UK. Since I don't believe independence would result in greater prosperity or freedom, it's easy for me to happily vote against it. Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.
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Wombat3
5,123 posts
75 months
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ViperPict said: Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me. But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual.
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simoid
8,286 posts
27 months
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ViperPict said: Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me. Well my beliefs are the polar opposite to yours. Who'd've thunk it!? I think we'll be significantly less prosperous out of the UK, and I'm sure you're aware of the arguments for this case. We might even be backed into corners by financial hardship that the UK economy, Bank of England, and so on protect us from just now, or into other corners by the EU to join the Euro... I'm not convinced we'll have many options! But still, at least they'll be our problems, and nobody else's.
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ViperPict
8,405 posts
106 months
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simoid said: ViperPict said: Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me. Well my beliefs are the polar opposite to yours. Who'd've thunk it!? I think we'll be significantly less prosperous out of the UK, and I'm sure you're aware of the arguments for this case. We might even be backed into corners by financial hardship that the UK economy, Bank of England, and so on protect us from just now, or into other corners by the EU to join the Euro... I'm not convinced we'll have many options! But still, at least they'll be our problems, and nobody else's. This is not the way of things though. Things sort themselves out into an efficient state. Beautifully complex non-linear process but amazingly simple. Peace man.
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ViperPict
8,405 posts
106 months
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Wombat3 said: ViperPict said: Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me. But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual. Never waived a flag in my life. It's the 'meme' of this thread, isn't it? LOL The point I make is quite clearly stated. It's very simple so that you can understand it. 
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mjh64
10 posts
14 months
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ViperPict said: Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me. At last after reading this and the previous thread you admit the truth
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simoid
8,286 posts
27 months
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ViperPict said: Things sort themselves out into an efficient state. Do you think the Scottish economy will just 'sort itself out' after a huge macroeconomic shock, and when we've put up barriers with our closest trade neighbours? It may find a new equilibrium, but it cannot be as prosperous as before. P.S. think of all the ways we could be benifitting Scotland's economy with the time and effort we've expended on the hundreds of pages of this thread... a couple of minutes spent writing each post, and a few multiples of that spent reading... 500 pages, 10,000 posts, 6 minutes (reading and writing) per post = 1000 man/hours. Goodness!
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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I've been to Scotland. The boat ride up Loch Ness was s  t. They can keep it.
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simoid
8,286 posts
27 months
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martin84 said: I've been to Scotland. The boat ride up Loch Ness was s t. They can keep it. Loch Ness? Has someone been trying to steal it?
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martin84
5,366 posts
22 months
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The best bit of Scotland is being able to stand on the border beside that big rock with England on one side and Scotland on the other. Jumping between the two like Homer Simpson.
As for the rest of the country you can take it or leave it, frankly.
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simoid
8,286 posts
27 months
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We have some lovely driving roads
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