Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2

[Caulkhead]

Kermit power said:

Caulkhead said:

thinfourth2 said:

Kermit power said:

Speaking as an Englishman, will everyone please stop bloody pointing out the realities of Scottish independence!

If the pro-independence people are allowed to carry on living in cloud cuckoo land without anyone forcing the scales from their eyes, then there's a much greater chance that they will get a yes vote in the referendum and we can set about getting shot of them!

Some most of us north of the border are sick of the pro-independence lot already

And personnelly i'm not wanting to pay 95% tax to pay for the socilaist dream where everything is banned to save one life

Don't take any notice of Kermit Power - he's got his own thread going on telling us how wonderful everything would be if we were all part of federal EU with central finances and defence and everyone in the euro paying EU dictated tax levels.

The irony of him wanting to see the back of Scotland but wanting complete EU control of the UK seems lost on him.

No I don't. I have a thread going asking why people want to leave the EU with a view to determining if that then explains why political parties all campaign on a view of "in" or "out", rather than "fix it so it's not fked".

I also pointed out that the problem with the Euro is that it is either too much or not enough of an integration, but you seem unable to grasp that this is not a defence of the EU as it currently stands.

To address your point here, however, there is no irony in my position. If someone wants to be part of a union with me, that's one thing - whether it be at national or international level. If they don't want to be part of a union with me, then they can fk off, especially if they're costing money.

Ironically the EU costs us a fortune and they don't want a union with us, they want to dictate to us, so they can fk off, as you so colourfully put it.

[FrankTing]

Scotland would have to be absolutely bonkers to leave the UK. I can't see any benefits from it to be honest.
They think they'll be a successful as Norway but they're seemingly forgetting all the methods Norway used to become a success story. Particularly the oil fund.

Also I'm a bit scared of perpetual Tory rule if we don't have the Scottish votes to even things out a bit. I think they're the right government for now, but I don't think we'll need 12-20 years of them.

[jimmyjimjim]

FrankTing said:

Also I'm a bit scared of perpetual Tory rule if we don't have the Scottish votes to even things out a bit. I think they're the right government for now, but I don't think we'll need 12-20 years of them.

Surely it would be closer without the Scottish bloc vote?
Labout would still have won in 1997 and 2001, with 2005 being closer.

[thinfourth2]

Is it too early to mention Scotland in europe

I read today in the local paper that if we join europe then we will be forced to have the Euro


And to save VP any effort i have writeen his reply

Viperpict will say :- Look over there its a penguin

[BliarOut]

thinfourth2 said:

Is it too early to mention Scotland in europe

I read today in the local paper that if we join europe then we will be forced to have the Euro


And to save VP any effort i have writeen his reply

Viperpict will say :- Look over there its a penguin

Nah, it'll involve pretty balloons and flags

What it definitely won't involve is addressing the question of how it's all going to be funded.

[ViperPict]

Those pesky Liberals muddying the waters...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

[ViperPict]

thinfourth2 said:

Is it too early to mention Scotland in europe

I read today in the local paper that if we join europe then we will be forced to have the Euro


And to save VP any effort i have writeen his reply

Viperpict will say :- Look over there its a penguin

The fking P&J said it so it must be true!!! Are you really that perocial?!

[simoid]

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

[BliarOut]

ViperPict said:

Those pesky Liberals muddying the waters...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

Surely you're not sidestepping a question and posting up a random trolling link EXACTLY as I said you would?



Far too predictable VP.

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

[BliarOut]

Guam said:

BliarOut said:

[Wombat3]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

That would be funny if you wern't actually serious!

(I believe we're still waiting for some other answers from you? )

[ViperPict]

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

That would be funny if you wern't actually serious!

(I believe we're still waiting for some other answers from you? )

Why is that not the case?

[London424]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

What are Westminster blocking? Scotland can do exactly the same as the rUK in terms of creating jobs.

[BliarOut]

ViperPict said:

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

That would be funny if you wern't actually serious!

(I believe we're still waiting for some other answers from you? )

Why is that not the case?

We're all waiting...

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

Could this be direct evidence of the lower investment created by the uncertainty surrounding the future of the country?

This referendum could be the end of Scotland even before the votes are cast.

Feel free to answer the other chaps' question before me, it's been a while.

[Wombat3]

ViperPict said:

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

That would be funny if you wern't actually serious!

(I believe we're still waiting for some other answers from you? )

Why is that not the case?

Because its another pack of invented lies that originates somewhere between your ears.

However, feel free to produce some figures that show that Scotland is in any way under invested or overlooked in favour of any other area of the UK. (You can ad that to your list of outstanding questions to answer)

Otherwise its just the semantics of how money is spent & frankly I wouldn't trust the SG with my kids pocket money.

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

Could this be direct evidence of the lower investment created by the uncertainty surrounding the future of the country?

This referendum could be the end of Scotland even before the votes are cast.

Feel free to answer the other chaps' question before me, it's been a while.

There is no evidence whatsoever of reduced investment in Scotland due to uncertainty related to the referendum though. More likely neglect from Wesminster. As in the north of England too.

[ViperPict]

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

That would be funny if you wern't actually serious!

(I believe we're still waiting for some other answers from you? )

Why is that not the case?

Because its another pack of invented lies that originates somewhere between your ears.

However, feel free to produce some figures that show that Scotland is in any way under invested or overlooked in favour of any other area of the UK. Otherwise its just the semantics of how money is spent & frankly I wouldn't trust the SG with my kids pocket money.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

And nothing more!

Edited by ViperPict on Wednesday 17th October 11:35

[Wombat3]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

Scottish unemployment up 7000; rUK unemployment down 57000.

Not going to do our 'scrounger' tag any good.

Give the SG more powers to control development and that could be turned around. They are rather hamstrung right now. Westminster's fault for neglecting Scotland for the benefit of the SE.

Could this be direct evidence of the lower investment created by the uncertainty surrounding the future of the country?

This referendum could be the end of Scotland even before the votes are cast.

Feel free to answer the other chaps' question before me, it's been a while.

There is no evidence whatsoever of reduced investment in Scotland due to uncertainty related to the referendum though. More likely neglect from Wesminster. As in the north of England too.

More likely? So no facts & figure then (as usual)