Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2
Discussion
simoid said:
Yes, your point is, what?Great Britain is the mainland, broadly it is England, Wales and Scotland. It certainly isn't just England and Scotland.
WhereamI said:
simoid said:
Yes, your point is, what?Great Britain is the mainland, broadly it is England, Wales and Scotland. It certainly isn't just England and Scotland.
Some could do with a wikibrowse, that's all
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
No, most of Scotland's revenue will not be from oil.
No it won't be, which illustrates the problem with independence, all of this is about 25 years too late. An independent Scotland with the peak of its oil production ahead of it could have been something but oil revenue is dying just when Scotland really needs it.
ViperPict said:
IainT said:
XCP said:
Shouldn't the English and Welsh get a vote?
Having herd some of the drivel spouted on the news earlier by a separationist I'd like a bloody vote. While we're at it can we give the Welsh and Irish the boot too?
IainT said:
ViperPict said:
IainT said:
XCP said:
Shouldn't the English and Welsh get a vote?
Having herd some of the drivel spouted on the news earlier by a separationist I'd like a bloody vote. While we're at it can we give the Welsh and Irish the boot too?
I think Cameron's done well in the referendum negotiations because he's made sure it's a simple yes/no question. Most polls show the vast majority of Scots living in Scotland don't want independence, many want 'extra powers' but that's not on the menu. The overwhelming likelyhood is Salmond will lost this vote.
From a David Cameron point of view though there must be a tiny voice at the back of his brain hoping Scotland votes yes. Labour do well in Scotland and forcing Labour to fight the next election in England (which they usually lose) with only the backup of Wales and Northern Ireland would help Cameron. However he probably doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland after 300 years.
From a David Cameron point of view though there must be a tiny voice at the back of his brain hoping Scotland votes yes. Labour do well in Scotland and forcing Labour to fight the next election in England (which they usually lose) with only the backup of Wales and Northern Ireland would help Cameron. However he probably doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland after 300 years.
martin84 said:
I think Cameron's done well in the referendum negotiations because he's made sure it's a simple yes/no question. Most polls show the vast majority of Scots living in Scotland don't want independence, many want 'extra powers' but that's not on the menu. The overwhelming likelyhood is Salmond will lost this vote.
From a David Cameron point of view though there must be a tiny voice at the back of his brain hoping Scotland votes yes. Labour do well in Scotland and forcing Labour to fight the next election in England (which they usually lose) with only the backup of Wales and Northern Ireland would help Cameron. However he probably doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland after 300 years.
I think that they were so focussed on the single question issue that they pretty much gave the SG everything else they wanted.From a David Cameron point of view though there must be a tiny voice at the back of his brain hoping Scotland votes yes. Labour do well in Scotland and forcing Labour to fight the next election in England (which they usually lose) with only the backup of Wales and Northern Ireland would help Cameron. However he probably doesn't want to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland after 300 years.
A theory doing the rounds is that the SNP genuinely never wanted Devo-Max as an option - independence would never have been delivered with that as an option. But they made the NO campaign believe they did want it. Classic bluff. And now we have the single question 'forced' upon us and, lo and behold, the soon to be published public consultation shows that the vast majority of Scots DID want it. But it is now very well documented that the 'evil Tories' demanded we couldn't have that option. It could be seen as a VERY well played hand. Or not as the case may but I guess time will now tell.
ViperPict said:
I think that they were so focussed on the single question issue that they pretty much gave the SG everything else they wanted.
A theory doing the rounds is that the SNP genuinely never wanted Devo-Max as an option - independence would never have been delivered with that as an option. But they made the NO campaign believe they did want it. Classic bluff. And now we have the single question 'forced' upon us and, lo and behold, the soon to be published public consultation shows that the vast majority of Scots DID want it. But it is now very well documented that the 'evil Tories' demanded we couldn't have that option. It could be seen as a VERY well played hand. Or not as the case may but I guess time will now tell.
A theory doing the rounds is that the SNP genuinely never wanted Devo-Max as an option - independence would never have been delivered with that as an option. But they made the NO campaign believe they did want it. Classic bluff. And now we have the single question 'forced' upon us and, lo and behold, the soon to be published public consultation shows that the vast majority of Scots DID want it. But it is now very well documented that the 'evil Tories' demanded we couldn't have that option. It could be seen as a VERY well played hand. Or not as the case may but I guess time will now tell.
ViperPict said:
WhereamI said:
ViperPict said:
No, most of Scotland's revenue will not be from oil.
No it won't be, which illustrates the problem with independence, all of this is about 25 years too late. An independent Scotland with the peak of its oil production ahead of it could have been something but oil revenue is dying just when Scotland really needs it.Instead of the money from taxes being made. Look at it as taxes + jobs. Where Aberdeen has over 120,000 jobs just for it with 120,000 needed before 2020. Then the industries that run off this that have places around the UK providing jobs in almost every corner in the UK from Aberdeen to Slough. When you look at it that way its a good provider for the economy.
General Price said:
ViperPict said:
I think that they were so focussed on the single question issue that they pretty much gave the SG everything else they wanted.
A theory doing the rounds is that the SNP genuinely never wanted Devo-Max as an option - independence would never have been delivered with that as an option. But they made the NO campaign believe they did want it. Classic bluff. And now we have the single question 'forced' upon us and, lo and behold, the soon to be published public consultation shows that the vast majority of Scots DID want it. But it is now very well documented that the 'evil Tories' demanded we couldn't have that option. It could be seen as a VERY well played hand. Or not as the case may but I guess time will now tell.
A theory doing the rounds is that the SNP genuinely never wanted Devo-Max as an option - independence would never have been delivered with that as an option. But they made the NO campaign believe they did want it. Classic bluff. And now we have the single question 'forced' upon us and, lo and behold, the soon to be published public consultation shows that the vast majority of Scots DID want it. But it is now very well documented that the 'evil Tories' demanded we couldn't have that option. It could be seen as a VERY well played hand. Or not as the case may but I guess time will now tell.
In all seriousness though, both sides (and anyone the referendum affects) should feel in a 'better place' right now than last week. At least we have a legally binding vote that both sides (on the face of it) claim to be happy with. Let battle commence. It's going to be a very interesting 2 years.
This is going to be a fight worthy of popcorn. On the face of it the Lib Dems and Labour will back David Cameron up on his wish to keep the Union intact but there's other games underway here. Scotland matters to the Labour Party as they currently hold 41 Scottish seats which make up 16% of their total from 2010. The SNP are in a position where every other party is against them, Labour are going to attack them and they will get vicious.
This should be good.
This should be good.
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