Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2
Discussion
Phil1 said:
That poll will be classed as completely flawedWhere as any poll that shows an increase in support are belived by someone that doesn't belive in polls
It would make any polls virtually pointless
ViperPict said:
davepoth said:
ViperPict said:
"The German Nazi (National Socialist) Party was politically fascist, which is a corporatist, racist, overwhelmingly petty bourgeois pastiche of ideologies based on the supremacy of the state over the individual, the importance of tightly centralized power and the fetishization of national myths and heroes. Socialism is multinational and working-class in character, seeking to establish a fully democratic, classless society.
Confusion between, and the conflation of, Nazis and socialists is due to the Nazi Party's name, which was in full the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). When Hitler joined the DAP in the early 1920s and quickly became its most prominent member and leader, the party's basic politics were not much different from those that later marked the Nazis' rise to power -- anti-Semitic, anti-socialist, anti-communist, opportunistic and wedded to violence -- but they were murky. The party was also quite small, one of dozens of right-wing populist formations at the time. By upping the nationalist ante, scapegoating national minorities and adding "socialist" to the party's name, Hitler found he was better able to attract disenchanted WWI veterans and workers left jobless during the hard economic times that followed the Treaty of Versailles. To better distinguish his party and its ethos from the more established socialist and communist entities at the time, and to reflect its intense nationalism, he also added "national" to the name.
Socialism was the Nazis' greatest threat to power. In the years before the fated election that led to Hitler becoming chancellor, the Nazis' SA brownshirts engaged in incredibly violent, sometimes deadly, attacks on socialists and communists, in addition to their favored Jewish targets. Socialists and communists were some of the first concentration camp inmates."
And that came out of which Christmas cracker?Confusion between, and the conflation of, Nazis and socialists is due to the Nazi Party's name, which was in full the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). When Hitler joined the DAP in the early 1920s and quickly became its most prominent member and leader, the party's basic politics were not much different from those that later marked the Nazis' rise to power -- anti-Semitic, anti-socialist, anti-communist, opportunistic and wedded to violence -- but they were murky. The party was also quite small, one of dozens of right-wing populist formations at the time. By upping the nationalist ante, scapegoating national minorities and adding "socialist" to the party's name, Hitler found he was better able to attract disenchanted WWI veterans and workers left jobless during the hard economic times that followed the Treaty of Versailles. To better distinguish his party and its ethos from the more established socialist and communist entities at the time, and to reflect its intense nationalism, he also added "national" to the name.
Socialism was the Nazis' greatest threat to power. In the years before the fated election that led to Hitler becoming chancellor, the Nazis' SA brownshirts engaged in incredibly violent, sometimes deadly, attacks on socialists and communists, in addition to their favored Jewish targets. Socialists and communists were some of the first concentration camp inmates."
Don't what sort of Christmas crackers you have in your family but I'm assuming that's some insinuation that the information is not accurate.
So, go on then, let me know what aspect of it is in error. Preferably with published evidence to the contrary.
Mussolini had Fascism as the opposite of Democracy, but had some interesting things to say about Fascism and the freedom of the will, something which is inherent in any right-wing ethos.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fasci...
Benito Mussolini said:
...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....
davepoth said:
ViperPict said:
davepoth said:
ViperPict said:
"The German Nazi (National Socialist) Party was politically fascist, which is a corporatist, racist, overwhelmingly petty bourgeois pastiche of ideologies based on the supremacy of the state over the individual, the importance of tightly centralized power and the fetishization of national myths and heroes. Socialism is multinational and working-class in character, seeking to establish a fully democratic, classless society.
Confusion between, and the conflation of, Nazis and socialists is due to the Nazi Party's name, which was in full the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). When Hitler joined the DAP in the early 1920s and quickly became its most prominent member and leader, the party's basic politics were not much different from those that later marked the Nazis' rise to power -- anti-Semitic, anti-socialist, anti-communist, opportunistic and wedded to violence -- but they were murky. The party was also quite small, one of dozens of right-wing populist formations at the time. By upping the nationalist ante, scapegoating national minorities and adding "socialist" to the party's name, Hitler found he was better able to attract disenchanted WWI veterans and workers left jobless during the hard economic times that followed the Treaty of Versailles. To better distinguish his party and its ethos from the more established socialist and communist entities at the time, and to reflect its intense nationalism, he also added "national" to the name.
Socialism was the Nazis' greatest threat to power. In the years before the fated election that led to Hitler becoming chancellor, the Nazis' SA brownshirts engaged in incredibly violent, sometimes deadly, attacks on socialists and communists, in addition to their favored Jewish targets. Socialists and communists were some of the first concentration camp inmates."
And that came out of which Christmas cracker?Confusion between, and the conflation of, Nazis and socialists is due to the Nazi Party's name, which was in full the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). When Hitler joined the DAP in the early 1920s and quickly became its most prominent member and leader, the party's basic politics were not much different from those that later marked the Nazis' rise to power -- anti-Semitic, anti-socialist, anti-communist, opportunistic and wedded to violence -- but they were murky. The party was also quite small, one of dozens of right-wing populist formations at the time. By upping the nationalist ante, scapegoating national minorities and adding "socialist" to the party's name, Hitler found he was better able to attract disenchanted WWI veterans and workers left jobless during the hard economic times that followed the Treaty of Versailles. To better distinguish his party and its ethos from the more established socialist and communist entities at the time, and to reflect its intense nationalism, he also added "national" to the name.
Socialism was the Nazis' greatest threat to power. In the years before the fated election that led to Hitler becoming chancellor, the Nazis' SA brownshirts engaged in incredibly violent, sometimes deadly, attacks on socialists and communists, in addition to their favored Jewish targets. Socialists and communists were some of the first concentration camp inmates."
Don't what sort of Christmas crackers you have in your family but I'm assuming that's some insinuation that the information is not accurate.
So, go on then, let me know what aspect of it is in error. Preferably with published evidence to the contrary.
Mussolini had Fascism as the opposite of Democracy, but had some interesting things to say about Fascism and the freedom of the will, something which is inherent in any right-wing ethos.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fasci...
Benito Mussolini said:
...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....
ViperPict said:
The specific text I quoted referred to the Nazi party. Who actively persecuted socialialsts. I'm well aware that facsim can be both attributed to the extreme left and right. But the Nazi party (the National Socialist Party) were, despite the name, on the right. That is the argument being discussed, not facism per se.
Politics is a circle, by the time you get to the extreme right or the extreme left you have got to the same place, they are both totalitarian states pretty much indistinguishable from each other. Whether you got there through turning right or left really makes little difference.ViperPict said:
The specific text I quoted referred to the Nazi party. Who actively persecuted socialialsts. I'm well aware that facsim can be both attributed to the extreme left and right. But the Nazi party (the National Socialist Party) were, despite the name, on the right. That is the argument being discussed, not facism per se.
They persecuted anyone who actively held a political view different to their own. That's also a hallmark of fascism. Many of them happened to be communists of various degrees, some of who would have been considered socialists. As I said, fascism transcends the normal left wing/right wing political ideologies; there were conservative fascists, and there were social fascists. Please try to understand that. davepoth said:
ViperPict said:
The specific text I quoted referred to the Nazi party. Who actively persecuted socialialsts. I'm well aware that facsim can be both attributed to the extreme left and right. But the Nazi party (the National Socialist Party) were, despite the name, on the right. That is the argument being discussed, not facism per se.
They persecuted anyone who actively held a political view different to their own. That's also a hallmark of fascism. Many of them happened to be communists of various degrees, some of who would have been considered socialists. As I said, fascism transcends the normal left wing/right wing political ideologies; there were conservative fascists, and there were social fascists. Please try to understand that. To keep it very simple: the Nazi Party are regarded amongst respected 20th cent. historians as a right wing party. It's as simple as that.
I fully appreciate that facism is a more general term but we are not discussing it's definition. The argument was that the Nazi Party were left wing. Which is clearly nonsense.
Back to something slightly more relevant.
Increasing pressure on Mr 110%'s economic policies:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19310258
ViperPict said:
You are clearly not a historian.
To keep it very simple: the Nazi Party are regarded amongst respected 20th cent. historians as a right wing party. It's as simple as that.
I fully appreciate that facism is a more general term but we are not discussing it's definition. The argument was that the Nazi Party were left wing. Which is clearly nonsense.
So that would be the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or National Socialist German Worker's Party?To keep it very simple: the Nazi Party are regarded amongst respected 20th cent. historians as a right wing party. It's as simple as that.
I fully appreciate that facism is a more general term but we are not discussing it's definition. The argument was that the Nazi Party were left wing. Which is clearly nonsense.
The Nazi Party was a socialist party until they came to power. What happened after they came to power turned them into a fascist dictatorship. Here is their 25 point manifesto from the early 1920s. Sounds quite socialist to me.
Nazi Party said:
1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
davepoth said:
ViperPict said:
You are clearly not a historian.
To keep it very simple: the Nazi Party are regarded amongst respected 20th cent. historians as a right wing party. It's as simple as that.
I fully appreciate that facism is a more general term but we are not discussing it's definition. The argument was that the Nazi Party were left wing. Which is clearly nonsense.
So that would be the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or National Socialist German Worker's Party?To keep it very simple: the Nazi Party are regarded amongst respected 20th cent. historians as a right wing party. It's as simple as that.
I fully appreciate that facism is a more general term but we are not discussing it's definition. The argument was that the Nazi Party were left wing. Which is clearly nonsense.
The Nazi Party was a socialist party until they came to power. What happened after they came to power turned them into a fascist dictatorship. Here is their 25 point manifesto from the early 1920s. Sounds quite socialist to me.
Nazi Party said:
1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.
4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.
5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race; b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language; c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The good of the state before the good of the individual.
25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
Relating to my above post, on the areas where Scotland does have control on the economy, we're out-performing the UK. Well, according to the SNP anyway but supported by official figures...
http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-swinney-being-pa...
ViperPict said:
Relating to my above post, on the areas where Scotland does have control on the economy, we're out-performing the UK. Well, according to the SNP anyway but supported by official figures...
http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-swinney-being-pa...
Interesting comment made below the article... I wonder if it is true? http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-swinney-being-pa...
"Yorkshire not only has fewer public sector workers than scotland - it has a higher number of MALES in employment than scotland. - Yorkshire also receives £7 billion less public expenditure than scotland yet both have the same size population ....... If Yorkshire was an independent coutry it would of been placed 19th in the olympic medals table list ............. iconic scotland would of been 36th ................. glad to help."
TheHeretic said:
ViperPict said:
Relating to my above post, on the areas where Scotland does have control on the economy, we're out-performing the UK. Well, according to the SNP anyway but supported by official figures...
http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-swinney-being-pa...
Interesting comment made below the article... I wonder if it is true? http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-swinney-being-pa...
"Yorkshire not only has fewer public sector workers than scotland - it has a higher number of MALES in employment than scotland. - Yorkshire also receives £7 billion less public expenditure than scotland yet both have the same size population ....... If Yorkshire was an independent coutry it would of been placed 19th in the olympic medals table list ............. iconic scotland would of been 36th ................. glad to help."
ViperPict said:
Apples and oranges springs to mind...
Not really. If true it would simply show that comparing similar sized regions makes more sense than the whole, particularly when compared with the imvestment, (the chap mentions 7billipn extra shackles going to Scotland). Looking at the figures in the article, it seems to be very much fractional. You also have to remember how many jobs are civil service in Scotland as well. These jobs would not be sustainable in an independent Scotland. TheHeretic said:
ViperPict said:
Apples and oranges springs to mind...
Not really. If true it would simply show that comparing similar sized regions makes more sense than the whole, particularly when compared with the imvestment, (the chap mentions 7billipn extra shackles going to Scotland). Looking at the figures in the article, it seems to be very much fractional. You also have to remember how many jobs are civil service in Scotland as well. These jobs would not be sustainable in an independent Scotland. ViperPict said:
Yorkshire doesn't really even exist as a municipal, civil administration region for a start.
That wasn't really the point I was making. Taking x amount of people, in this case Scotland, and proclaiming it to be better economically, and employment wise, and comparing to a far larger population, rUK, it seems disengemuous. The Yorkshire comparison, (and I have no idea of it is true or not), was simply taking an equal population, and showing that it seems to be a region specific issue. One region may be better, or worse than another, for an equal population. The interesting point was the investment figure postulated. 
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