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Pesty
Original Poster
25,853 posts
125 months
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A blundering serial thief who ransacked a flat which police had rigged with CCTV cameras and stole fake mobile phones has been jailed. Dim Bubba Ambala, 19, was first caught raiding an apartment in his own block of flats which officers had set up with cameras in an elaborate sting operation. But, despite being given a suspended sentence for that crime, he clearly had not learned his lesson. Just six months later he was caught shoplifting from a high street store when he made off with three worthless display mobile phones which he thought were real. The teenager admitted theft and was jailed for six months at Warwick Crown Court on Thursday. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2189686/Te...
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Shaolin
2,094 posts
58 months
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Surely calling him Dim is against his yuman rights - however appropriate.
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StuartGGray
6,322 posts
97 months
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10 Pence Short
27,588 posts
86 months
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In fairness to the court, the defendant has successfully completed his first year of studies and fully intends to continue on with the second. In jailing him for 6 months, he is able to continue with that course, whereas a longer sentence would likely preclude that from being a possibility.
If you take a common sense view;
- 12 month sentence, automatic release at 6 months, release on curfew at 3 months;
- 6 month sentence, automatic release at 3 months, release on curfew at 1.5 months;
- Difference between time in jail for each sentence, 6 weeks.
What additional protection for the public, deterrent from future offending or punishment will be achieved from the extra 6 weeks, especially if it takes the effect of removing him from the education he has established he is dedicated to?
This instance is one where the courts are displaying more sense, not less.
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Pesty
Original Poster
25,853 posts
125 months
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Yes but only if it works and he commits no crimes when he is out and on his course. So far he has faced no deterrent at all. I suspect he will be seen again by the courts I'd have locked him up for 5 years without parole and made him take his quals inside but thats just me  And I'd stop automatically halving the sentences its really just spin
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Jasandjules
45,387 posts
98 months
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10 Pence Short said: This instance is one where the courts are displaying more sense, not less. However if we jailed him for one month but gave him 50 lashes in the public square, he could do his school work whilst suffering incredible pain for his actions thereby I suspect etching in his head the theft/consequences system....
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smegmore
1,696 posts
45 months
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Dim Bubba...  'nuff said.
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Somewhatfoolish
3,627 posts
55 months
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Jasandjules said: However if we jailed him for one month but gave him 50 lashes in the public square, he could do his school work whilst suffering incredible pain for his actions thereby I suspect etching in his head the theft/consequences system.... Nowithstanding the ethical problems with this, it won't work. If he's daft enough to do this sort of thing then it clearly shows he doesn't think ahead about the consequences of his actions. Therefore there will be no deterrence.
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Pommygranite
4,158 posts
85 months
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StuartGGray said: Dim by name... Erm he's called Bubba not Dim....
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Mojocvh
12,696 posts
131 months
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Somewhatfoolish said: Jasandjules said: However if we jailed him for one month but gave him 50 lashes in the public square, he could do his school work whilst suffering incredible pain for his actions thereby I suspect etching in his head the theft/consequences system.... Nowithstanding the ethical problems with this, it won't work. If he's daft enough to do this sort of thing then it clearly shows he doesn't think ahead about the consequences of his actions. Therefore there will be no deterrence. I take it you have never felt reality of corporal punishment have you?
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Somewhatfoolish
3,627 posts
55 months
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Mojocvh said: Somewhatfoolish said: Jasandjules said: However if we jailed him for one month but gave him 50 lashes in the public square, he could do his school work whilst suffering incredible pain for his actions thereby I suspect etching in his head the theft/consequences system.... Nowithstanding the ethical problems with this, it won't work. If he's daft enough to do this sort of thing then it clearly shows he doesn't think ahead about the consequences of his actions. Therefore there will be no deterrence. I take it you have never felt reality of corporal punishment have you? only the kind i've paid good money for... i bet i regret tyoing that in the morning
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Puggit
29,484 posts
117 months
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Pommygranite said: StuartGGray said: Dim by name... Erm he's called Bubba not Dim.... Then he'll be top dog in the showers...
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FarleyRusk
1,004 posts
80 months
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10 Pence Short said: In fairness to the court, the defendant has successfully completed his first year of studies and fully intends to continue on with the second. In jailing him for 6 months, he is able to continue with that course, whereas a longer sentence would likely preclude that from being a possibility.
If you take a common sense view;
- 12 month sentence, automatic release at 6 months, release on curfew at 3 months;
- 6 month sentence, automatic release at 3 months, release on curfew at 1.5 months;
- Difference between time in jail for each sentence, 6 weeks.
What additional protection for the public, deterrent from future offending or punishment will be achieved from the extra 6 weeks, especially if it takes the effect of removing him from the education he has established he is dedicated to?
This instance is one where the courts are displaying more sense, not less. Erm if you take the common sense view, 12months would mean a year jail!
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singlecoil
14,918 posts
115 months
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A short time in jail will have pretty much the same effect on the offender as a long time, once he settles in and gets used to it then really all it's doing is costing the taxpayer lots of money. If he's going to learn a lesson from it he will learn it just as well in a few weeks as he will in a year.
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Pesty
Original Poster
25,853 posts
125 months
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singlecoil said: A short time in jail will have pretty much the same effect on the offender as a long time, once he settles in and gets used to it then really all it's doing is costing the taxpayer lots of money. If he's going to learn a lesson from it he will learn it just as well in a few weeks as he will in a year. I really can't see that at all. A few weeks in gaol then out he will be laughing. A full year (5 preferably) yeah he might settle in but its a year out of his life. No GF, no going down the pub,no hanging out wid his bredren etc etc
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singlecoil
14,918 posts
115 months
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Pesty said: singlecoil said: A short time in jail will have pretty much the same effect on the offender as a long time, once he settles in and gets used to it then really all it's doing is costing the taxpayer lots of money. If he's going to learn a lesson from it he will learn it just as well in a few weeks as he will in a year. I really can't see that at all. A few weeks in gaol then out he will be laughing. A full year (5 preferably) yeah he might settle in but its a year out of his life. No GF, no going down the pub,no hanging out wid his bredren etc etc All depends on whether he's a hardened criminal or not. If he's never done time then he won't be laughing, he won't like it at all. If he's used to prison then a much longer sentence might be needed, but it's a bloody expensive business for the tax payer so it's good to see that judges are being a bit circumspect about handing out long terms.
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10 Pence Short
27,588 posts
86 months
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Pesty said: I really can't see that at all.
A few weeks in gaol then out he will be laughing.
A full year (5 preferably) yeah he might settle in but its a year out of his life. No GF, no going down the pub,no hanging out wid his bredren etc etc There are various reasons to send someone to prison; public protection, punishment, rehabilitation and so on. You don't just pick one out at the expense of the other reasons. With this chap, there is evidence he intends to educate himself. If he's willing to educate himself, he's showing a willingness to live without needing to resort to theft or a life of crime. Whether he follows through with that, we don't know yet. What we do know, is if you lock him up for a long time for a minor offence, you will make it more difficult for him to become rehabilitated and to become a productive member of society upon his release. What is the value in paying £20,000 a year to keep him in an open prison when he has shown that in the same time scale he may be able to earn £20,000 a year as a fully fledged, decent member of society? Putting too much emphasis on the punishment element only deals with the past and does very little to improve the future.
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Pesty
Original Poster
25,853 posts
125 months
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Could he not learn while in Jail?
At least while he is in there he isn't robbing anybody.
We only know what he got caught for because the flat was a trap. God know how many other flats he has robbed.
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Jessicus
230 posts
15 months
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I'm impressed by the use of the college course as a mitigating factor. It's a shame that it's probably rubbish.
There's a small but certainly significant number of students on most college courses who are not really interested in the course, making progress and aiming to better themselves. Their aim is to avoid real work and "hassle" from parent who want them to do a proper job. These are the students who partake of criminal behaviour - from robbery and burglary to drug offences. I see it every year - occasionally having students removed from college in handcuffs.
Let him do his course in prison. At least there he'll be able to focus on his studies!
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FraserLFA
4,931 posts
43 months
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The 3 store in the picture is the one in Norwich.
Just sayin'!
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