US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

[unrepentant]

turbobloke said:

At the end of 2010 did Barack Obama not extend the tax cuts at all income levels through 2012 so they now expire in 2013? If so, and it appears to be, is that funny too?

He had no choice but to sign the bill. Had he not done so taxes would have gone up dramatically for middle class families and poorer tax payers. He said at the time that he was unhappy about it but the alternative would have hurt all Americans. The President has the power of veto but cannot pick and choose which bits of a bill he passes, it's all or nothing.

[unrepentant]

FOX News slam Ryan's speech as pack of lies.

Yes, FOX News!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-rya...

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

FOX News slam Ryan's speech as pack of lies.

Yes, FOX News!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-rya...

If one pays attention, one will often see opposing viewpoints expressed on Fox.

[davepoth]

Jimbeaux said:

If one pays attention, one will often see opposing viewpoints expressed on Fox.

That can't be true. Jon Stewart would have told me about it otherwise.

[toppstuff]

unrepentant said:

FOX News slam Ryan's speech as pack of lies.

Yes, FOX News!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-rya...

What's the game here? Fox wants GOP president, surely, so there must be something wider happening here?

Or should I take off the tin foil hat?

[Countdown]

turbobloke said:

At the end of 2010 did Barack Obama not extend the tax cuts at all income levels through 2012 so they now expire in 2013? If so, and it appears to be, is that funny too?

Not at all income levels. Only for those earning less than USD 250k.

[Jimbeaux]

davepoth said:

Jimbeaux said:

If one pays attention, one will often see opposing viewpoints expressed on Fox.

That can't be true. Jon Stewart would have told me about it otherwise.

Well, true.

[968]

toppstuff said:

What's the game here? Fox wants GOP president, surely, so there must be something wider happening here?

Or should I take off the tin foil hat?

Blimey even Fox news are putting the boot in.

[rohrl]

968 said:

toppstuff said:

What's the game here? Fox wants GOP president, surely, so there must be something wider happening here?

Or should I take off the tin foil hat?

Blimey even Fox news are putting the boot in.

If you click on the author's name you'll see that she's writing from a Democratic point of view. Still, all the fact-checking sites seem to be in agreement that Ryan's speech last night was rather deceptive.

[unrepentant]

I'm thinking FOX may be having some sort of Damascean conversion. They cancelled Sarah Palin last night as well (much to her disgust). Perhaps they've seen the light and are coming over to the good guys....

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

I'm thinking FOX may be having some sort of Damascean conversion. They cancelled Sarah Palin last night as well (much to her disgust). Perhaps they've seen the light and are coming over to the good guys....

[unrepentant]

[davepoth]

Just finished watching Ryan. He wasn't as good as Rice. She would have made a pretty good Veep pick I think.

[unrepentant]

Just watching Romney. The guy is as fake as a nine bob note. The only thing more nauseating than this claptrap is the reaction of the brain dead morons in the audience. Why does he alway mention that one steel mill in Indiana and never the mill in Kansas where he and Bain asset stripped and left 750 workers without jobs or health coverage? Or even the other Indiana companies that went under with huge job losses while Bain trousered millions?

[davepoth]

unrepentant said:

Just watching Romney. The guy is as fake as a nine bob note. The only thing more nauseating than this claptrap is the reaction of the brain dead morons in the audience. Why does he alway mention that one steel mill in Indiana and never the mill in Kansas where he and Bain asset stripped and left 750 workers without jobs or health coverage? Or even the other Indiana companies that went under with huge job losses while Bain trousered millions?

Even the reaction in the room was poor - mainly down to his pacing more than anything. The speech was badly written, and he fluffed most of the high points IMO, speaking when he should have waited for cheers, resting when he should have carried on. I'm intrigued to see how the debates shape up, but I get the impression that Romney might get taken to school.

[unrepentant]

davepoth said:

unrepentant said:

Just watching Romney. The guy is as fake as a nine bob note. The only thing more nauseating than this claptrap is the reaction of the brain dead morons in the audience. Why does he alway mention that one steel mill in Indiana and never the mill in Kansas where he and Bain asset stripped and left 750 workers without jobs or health coverage? Or even the other Indiana companies that went under with huge job losses while Bain trousered millions?

Even the reaction in the room was poor - mainly down to his pacing more than anything. The speech was badly written, and he fluffed most of the high points IMO, speaking when he should have waited for cheers, resting when he should have carried on. I'm intrigued to see how the debates shape up, but I get the impression that Romney might get taken to school.

I agree. Obama is a very accomplished debater, Romney is a wooden stiff with an insincere manner who comes across as phoney to anyone who isn't wedded to him. I think Obama will bury him.

I was out to dinner tonight and missed Clunt Eastwood. Apparently he was enbarrassingly poor, I look forward to the repeat tomorrow.

Edited to say: Just saw Clunt. Very sad. Loved his acting and directing career. A shame to see him reduced to this stumbling, incoherent, frankly bonkers, embarrassing husk of what he was. Romney's are cringing and trying to distance themselves as, unfortunately, thay have to.

Edited by unrepentant on Friday 31st August 05:24

[968]

Someone posted a funny gif on Facebook which essentially said that the republicans spent millions trying to show that John Kerry was a Massachusettes flip flopping, billionaire disconnected from the people, which is exactly what Romney is.

[The Hypno-Toad]

unrepentant said:

I was out to dinner tonight and missed Clunt Eastwood. Apparently he was enbarrassingly poor, I look forward to the repeat tomorrow.

Edited to say: Just saw Clunt. Very sad. Loved his acting and directing career. A shame to see him reduced to this stumbling, incoherent, frankly bonkers, embarrassing husk of what he was. Romney's are cringing and trying to distance themselves as, unfortunately, thay have to.

It was less "Make my day!" more "Where's me cocoa?". Huge mistake by the Republicans.

And I also agree with what you said about the actual election, Obama will make mincemeat out of this guy.

[dave stew]

The Hypno-Toad said:

It was less "Make my day!" more "Where's me cocoa?". Huge mistake by the Republicans.

And I also agree with what you said about the actual election, Obama will make mincemeat out of this guy.

I really hope you're right - most of Europe are petrified of a uber right wing Republican president with as much foreign policy knowledge as my six year old - but, but - a lot of Americans love the prospect.

I just heard a sound bite of Clint Boy's incoherent 'speech'. Not good. But then it was broadcast on the BBC...

[stevejh]

Actually Clint did say one thing which I think we would all agree with. He pointed out that the people own the country and the politicians work for the people. Whether you're in the US or in the UK, or even the EU, I think that's something the politicians seem to have forgotten - or hope that we've forgotten.

For an 82 year old, without an autocue, who is not known for his long speeches, he seemed to do okay and, despite what the MSM are saying, he got huge applause in the hall. There were a couple of cringeworthy moments but isn't that always the case when any 'celebrity' attempts a political speech.