US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread
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London424 said:
Just reading in the Evening Standard paper on the way home that Gallup has Romney with a 6 point lead...anyone got a link?
Quite a few linked stats on this one:http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/18/romney-gains...
Ryan just gets funnier, especially with the unconvincing stories he tells and stunts he pulls in an attempt to try and look electable.
We had the outrageous lie of his 3 hour marathon which was hilarious. Then we had him barging into a soup kitchen against the wishes of the charity running it, after the patrons had all left, and pretending to wash pots for a photo op.
Now we have the latest faux pas. Yesterday he was at the Cleveland Browns training ground with Condi Rice (who does know a thing or two about football). Ryan, presumably in a vain attempt to look cool, went up to the QB and started waxing lyrical about how much a fan he was and how much he had enjoyed watching him play for Oklahoma State. Except he was talking to Colt McCoy who was never at Oklahaoma. He thought he was talking to Brandon Weeden who is not only 3 years older, 3 inches taller and looks nothing like McCoy but just took his job! McCoy was not pleased and Ryan once again looked like a fool. Yeah, he's a big fan!
We had the outrageous lie of his 3 hour marathon which was hilarious. Then we had him barging into a soup kitchen against the wishes of the charity running it, after the patrons had all left, and pretending to wash pots for a photo op.
Now we have the latest faux pas. Yesterday he was at the Cleveland Browns training ground with Condi Rice (who does know a thing or two about football). Ryan, presumably in a vain attempt to look cool, went up to the QB and started waxing lyrical about how much a fan he was and how much he had enjoyed watching him play for Oklahoma State. Except he was talking to Colt McCoy who was never at Oklahaoma. He thought he was talking to Brandon Weeden who is not only 3 years older, 3 inches taller and looks nothing like McCoy but just took his job! McCoy was not pleased and Ryan once again looked like a fool. Yeah, he's a big fan!
London424 said:
Just reading in the Evening Standard paper on the way home that Gallup has Romney with a 6 point lead...anyone got a link?
It's one poll and the Gallup poll has been all over the place recently. Other polls are not showing those results, even Rasmussen which is the favoured poll of the Republican party.As I said yesterday, I'll take the bookies over the pollsters any day and they have Obama odds on to win at at 1/2 and Romney at 2/1. Intrade betting has Obama at 63% and Romney at 37%.
Guam said:
Dixie68 said:
Speaking as someone who really doesn't care who the next President is, my thoughts are: Romney won the first debate leaving Obama looking unprepared and overwhelmed. Obama won the second debate leaving Romney looking like a bit like a blustering fool, with maybe a hint of the bully about him.
From those two debates alone, if I were an American citizen, I would vote Obama.
By the way, some of the strident name-calling on this thread, (Crowley, Barry etc), does nothing but weaken any argument being made. If the posters cut that out then their posts would become much more readable and not look like a playground argument. Just IMO of course
Sorry what Name calling with regards to Crowley? Maybe thats Because it is Crowleys name?From those two debates alone, if I were an American citizen, I would vote Obama.
By the way, some of the strident name-calling on this thread, (Crowley, Barry etc), does nothing but weaken any argument being made. If the posters cut that out then their posts would become much more readable and not look like a playground argument. Just IMO of course
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57534438/conse...
Not sure where you think name calling has crept in with regard to her?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/candy-crowley-romney-ri...
Edited by Guam on Thursday 18th October 09:31
You know what I mean though, the absolute glee when someone of one side picks up on something someone on the other side says, and the Barry and "Willard" comments. Yes I know they're names that have been used before but they're obviously being used here just to take the mickey.
Dropping the Willard etc and just using Romney or Obama would just make this thread look less like children calling people names and make an interesting thread more readable. Again just IMO.
Letter from The Boss
October 17, 2012
Dear Friends
The election is coming up on all of us and we all have strong feelings about it. I’ve been getting asked a lot about where I stand, so for those who are interested, here goes.
This presidential election is different than the last one because President Obama has a four year record to run on. Last time around, he carried with him a tremendous amount of hope and expectations. Unfortunately, due to the economic chaos the previous administration left him with, and the extraordinary intensity of the opposition, it turned into a really rough ride. But through grit, determination, and focus, the President has been able to do a great many things that many of us deeply support.
Domestically, that record includes working to increase and expand employment for all, protecting our all important social safety net, passing guaranteed health care for most of our citizens, with important new protections for all of the insured, rescuing the auto industry and so many of the American jobs that go with it, protecting and enhancing the rights of women, and bringing us closer to full acceptance of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters.
In foreign affairs, that record includes following through on the removal of troops from the misguided and deceptive war in Iraq, and vigorously pursuing our real foreign enemies, especially the killing of Osama Bin Laden.
Right now the opposition’s resort to voter suppression in so many states is not receiving as much attention as it deserves. I believe that all of us, of whatever views, should be opposing these anti-voter, anti-citizen efforts.
Right now, for the President to be effective in his next term he needs our increased support and he needs support in the Congress, where some sterling candidates, such as current Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, challenger Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts, and so many others, are fighting to make their constructive voices heard.
Right now, there is an ever increasing division of wealth in this country, with the benefits going more and more to the 1 percent. For me, President Obama is our best choice to begin to reverse this harmful development.
Right now, there is a fight going on to help make this a fairer and more equitable nation. For me, President Obama is our best choice to get us and keep us moving in the right direction.
Right now, we need a President who has a vision that includes all of our citizens, not just some, whether they are our devastated poor, our pressured middle class, and yes, the wealthy too; whether they are male or female, black, white, brown, or yellow, straight or gay, civilian or military.
Right now, there is a choice going on in America, and I’m happy that we live in a country where we all participate in that process. For me, President Obama is our best choice because he has a vision of the United States as a place where we are all in this together. We’re still living through very hard times but justice, equality and real freedom are not always a tide rushing in. They are more often a slow march, inch by inch, day after long day. I believe President Obama feels these days in his bones and has the strength to live them with us and to lead us to a country “…where no one crowds you and no one goes it alone.”
That’s why I plan to be in Ohio and Iowa supporting the re-election of President Obama to lead our country for the next four years.
Bruce Springsteen
The Boss said:
October 17, 2012
Dear Friends
The election is coming up on all of us and we all have strong feelings about it. I’ve been getting asked a lot about where I stand, so for those who are interested, here goes.
This presidential election is different than the last one because President Obama has a four year record to run on. Last time around, he carried with him a tremendous amount of hope and expectations. Unfortunately, due to the economic chaos the previous administration left him with, and the extraordinary intensity of the opposition, it turned into a really rough ride. But through grit, determination, and focus, the President has been able to do a great many things that many of us deeply support.
Domestically, that record includes working to increase and expand employment for all, protecting our all important social safety net, passing guaranteed health care for most of our citizens, with important new protections for all of the insured, rescuing the auto industry and so many of the American jobs that go with it, protecting and enhancing the rights of women, and bringing us closer to full acceptance of our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters.
In foreign affairs, that record includes following through on the removal of troops from the misguided and deceptive war in Iraq, and vigorously pursuing our real foreign enemies, especially the killing of Osama Bin Laden.
Right now the opposition’s resort to voter suppression in so many states is not receiving as much attention as it deserves. I believe that all of us, of whatever views, should be opposing these anti-voter, anti-citizen efforts.
Right now, for the President to be effective in his next term he needs our increased support and he needs support in the Congress, where some sterling candidates, such as current Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, challenger Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts, and so many others, are fighting to make their constructive voices heard.
Right now, there is an ever increasing division of wealth in this country, with the benefits going more and more to the 1 percent. For me, President Obama is our best choice to begin to reverse this harmful development.
Right now, there is a fight going on to help make this a fairer and more equitable nation. For me, President Obama is our best choice to get us and keep us moving in the right direction.
Right now, we need a President who has a vision that includes all of our citizens, not just some, whether they are our devastated poor, our pressured middle class, and yes, the wealthy too; whether they are male or female, black, white, brown, or yellow, straight or gay, civilian or military.
Right now, there is a choice going on in America, and I’m happy that we live in a country where we all participate in that process. For me, President Obama is our best choice because he has a vision of the United States as a place where we are all in this together. We’re still living through very hard times but justice, equality and real freedom are not always a tide rushing in. They are more often a slow march, inch by inch, day after long day. I believe President Obama feels these days in his bones and has the strength to live them with us and to lead us to a country “…where no one crowds you and no one goes it alone.”
That’s why I plan to be in Ohio and Iowa supporting the re-election of President Obama to lead our country for the next four years.
Bruce Springsteen
Another victory against bigotry and the Romney agenda as the defense of marriage act is struck down by a second court.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19999222
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19999222
Being so busy including on other threads I hadn't noticed Obama support was on the slide but it is.
"Bloomberg News reported that a Quinnipiac University poll of 1,519 likely Pa. voters favored Obama by just 4 percentage points over Romney. The poll was conducted between Oct. 12 and Oct. 14. Just one month ago, Obama held a 12 point lead in the state"
I hadn't noticed Obama support was on the slide but it is."Bloomberg News reported that a Quinnipiac University poll of 1,519 likely Pa. voters favored Obama by just 4 percentage points over Romney. The poll was conducted between Oct. 12 and Oct. 14. Just one month ago, Obama held a 12 point lead in the state"
Probably worthy of it's own thread, but interesting article on Stevens given the talk in here
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weap...
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weap...
Art0ir said:
Probably worthy of it's own thread, but interesting article on Stevens given the talk in here
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weap...
I was sitting in the office of one om my Democratic friends having a discussion not too distant from this.http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weap...
It was who IS the good guy?
Soverignty or the lack of.
Freedom fighter or terrorist.
We both agreed that these people are not Syrian shopkeepers. It all got a bit hazy after that as he drifted towards "end justifing the means".
I mentioned Hemmingway, he said "Oh that's cheating" bringing the conversation to an end.
My own opinion is that "a few people" are intent on destroying otherwise reasonbly stable countries and installing fragile demoncracies, then going WTF, THEY shouldn't have won
This M.O. has been conducted with no contingency plan and now we have chaos.
A country like the US or UK would have a guy talking to the current leader saying "we're with you buddy" at the same time someone else is talking to to the opposition saying "you have our full support", when the Islamists win the election there is total disconnect. I expect there is some panic to establish contact with them after winning, but that is too late. They are not stupid they know who the US or UK supported. (if the Trade Attache drives across town to visit the opposition leader, they know it's not about a crate of bananas)
To give you an example of how xxxxxx up stuff gets. Years ago I was in an Intercontinental hotel having morning coffee on the next table were two locals and two Americans. The two locals were oppositon people, they were disscussing how the two Americans could get an interview with the rebels. They assured they could fix a meet. The two Americans excuse themselves, the two locals switched to their native language. Discussing who they would get to pose as rebels as they didn't know any.
Best bit was when they left......they rocognised my wife, a brief hello, nodded to me and beat a hasty retreat.
Whether these two Americans were really jounalists as they stated, I cannot be sure, but it does demonstrate why s
t and fan are so often in the same sentence. Guam said:
A123 systems filed for Bankruptcy today <249 million of taxpayer money> they made Batterries for electric cars <notably Fisker> Fisker after having recieved approx 500 million in Loan gurantees for its operations in the US closed it. Thats potentially 750 million dollars down the Toilet on ONE program in essence. Yep Govt knows better than the market. Add Solyndra and others in there thats a lot of "stimulus" cash vapourised just on the Green energy part of it.
Another one gone: http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/another-doe-ba...Romney was brilliant...great to see his sense of humor, especially when poking fun at himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
Conservative economist Ben Stein is unlikely to be invited back onto FOX and Friends after telling a stunned Gretchen Carlson that Romney's pledge (along with all the other cons) that he will not raise taxes is nonsense.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ben-stein-stuns-fox-fri...
Hilarious
Ben Stein said:
I hate to say this on Fox, and I hope I'll be allowed to leave here alive, but I don't think there is anyway we can cut spending enough to make a meaningful difference. We are going to have to raise taxes on very rich people, people with incomes of like say, 2, 3 million a year and up, and then slowly move it down.
He went on to say that America was most prosperous during the post war years when taxes were much higher. I don't think the zombies on the sofa could believe what they were hearing!http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ben-stein-stuns-fox-fri...
Hilarious
unrepentant said:
Conservative economist Ben Stein is unlikely to be invited back onto FOX and Friends after telling a stunned Gretchen Carlson that Romney's pledge (along with all the other cons) that he will not raise taxes is nonsense.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ben-stein-stuns-fox-fri...
Hilarious
Stein goes way back to Nixon and Ford, he is more recently known for his TV shoe "Ben Steins Money"Ben Stein said:
I hate to say this on Fox, and I hope I'll be allowed to leave here alive, but I don't think there is anyway we can cut spending enough to make a meaningful difference. We are going to have to raise taxes on very rich people, people with incomes of like say, 2, 3 million a year and up, and then slowly move it down.
He went on to say that America was most prosperous during the post war years when taxes were much higher. I don't think the zombies on the sofa could believe what they were hearing!http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ben-stein-stuns-fox-fri...
Hilarious
I have a lot of respect for this Guy, if he said buy Yen, I would.
But his analogy of;
“The evidence is that there is no clear connection between the level of taxation and the level of economic activity,” said Stein. “The biggest growth and prosperity we’ve ever had in this country was from roughly 1941 to 1973. That was the best years we’ve ever had and those were years of much higher taxes than we have now.” Quote B.S.
Is perhaps B.S.
Different times, plenty of manufacturing, war profiteering, and apart from that he knows only too well rich people don't now, and didn't then pay at those rates, they pay at the long term CG rate.
So yes it would have to reach below the 250K level as they are the ones with income income.
And it would be fast, no chance to escape.
There appear to be no qualms regarding retroactivicity when it comes to taxes.
It would appear Stein has become a Buffite.
I'd still buy Yen, just a bit less
sirtyro said:
Romney was brilliant...great to see his sense of humor, especially when poking fun at himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
Romney was nowhere near as funny as McCain was last time and his jokes were too political for the tradition of this event. There were jeers as well as cheers.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
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