US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread
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unrepentant said:
sirtyro said:
Romney was brilliant...great to see his sense of humor, especially when poking fun at himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
Romney was nowhere near as funny as McCain was last time and his jokes were too political for the tradition of this event. There were jeers as well as cheers.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
968 said:
stevejh said:
What speech were you watching? There were no jeers on the one I watched. Even Chris Matthews seemed to be enjoying it - up to a point.
He wasn't funny in the slightest, more schmoozing zero substance bs. However I think he'll win, I'm afraid to say.stevejh said:
968 said:
stevejh said:
What speech were you watching? There were no jeers on the one I watched. Even Chris Matthews seemed to be enjoying it - up to a point.
He wasn't funny in the slightest, more schmoozing zero substance bs. However I think he'll win, I'm afraid to say.I hope Romney does win....Obama has done nothing for the US nor has been the saviour of the world as promised. Also love the fact he tries to make out that he is 'one of the people' even though he is worth well over £10,000,000 and after his presidency will go on to make even more. Romney isn't apologetic about his wealth and neither should he be. The idea that he wouldn't make it into the white house because he is financially successful is a sad state of affairs for America to be in when the American dream was meant to be about working hard and being successful.
stevejh said:
unrepentant said:
sirtyro said:
Romney was brilliant...great to see his sense of humor, especially when poking fun at himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
Romney was nowhere near as funny as McCain was last time and his jokes were too political for the tradition of this event. There were jeers as well as cheers.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJrDz99rURA&fea...
'so little time....so much wealth to redistribute'
Yet another case of Republican voter fraud.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/re...
The GOP have paid millions to these people to try and fix the election. They claimed that they had cut ties with Nathan Sproul and Strategic Allied Consulting who were exposed last month and to whom the GOP have paid over $3 million. Now we have this case involving Pinpoint who we now discover were contracted by SAC. The stench is overpowering.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/re...
The GOP have paid millions to these people to try and fix the election. They claimed that they had cut ties with Nathan Sproul and Strategic Allied Consulting who were exposed last month and to whom the GOP have paid over $3 million. Now we have this case involving Pinpoint who we now discover were contracted by SAC. The stench is overpowering.
unrepentant said:
Yet another case of Republican voter fraud.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/re...
The GOP have paid millions to these people to try and fix the election. They claimed that they had cut ties with Nathan Sproul and Strategic Allied Consulting who were exposed last month and to whom the GOP have paid over $3 million. Now we have this case involving Pinpoint who we now discover were contracted by SAC. The stench is overpowering.
What were the other republican ones? All the headline makers, plus all the ones I can remember were democrat/acorn?http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/re...
The GOP have paid millions to these people to try and fix the election. They claimed that they had cut ties with Nathan Sproul and Strategic Allied Consulting who were exposed last month and to whom the GOP have paid over $3 million. Now we have this case involving Pinpoint who we now discover were contracted by SAC. The stench is overpowering.
jimmyjimjim said:
unrepentant said:
Yet another case of Republican voter fraud.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/re...
The GOP have paid millions to these people to try and fix the election. They claimed that they had cut ties with Nathan Sproul and Strategic Allied Consulting who were exposed last month and to whom the GOP have paid over $3 million. Now we have this case involving Pinpoint who we now discover were contracted by SAC. The stench is overpowering.
What were the other republican ones? All the headline makers, plus all the ones I can remember were democrat/acorn?http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/re...
The GOP have paid millions to these people to try and fix the election. They claimed that they had cut ties with Nathan Sproul and Strategic Allied Consulting who were exposed last month and to whom the GOP have paid over $3 million. Now we have this case involving Pinpoint who we now discover were contracted by SAC. The stench is overpowering.
Post up any proven cases of democrat fraud in this election.
jimmyjimjim said:
So, the same case as before, then?
I've been avoiding as much as possible, and willing December to come quickly.
Nothing proven then? Rather like Acorn wasn't proven until (well)after the election?
Eh? Plenty proven. The Romyans have been forced to sack the company to whom they paid $3 MILLION. Then there is this new evidence today that shows that they are still in bed with them. It's a disgrace.I've been avoiding as much as possible, and willing December to come quickly.
Nothing proven then? Rather like Acorn wasn't proven until (well)after the election?
Acorn? Are you serious? Show links that show that Acorn received money from the democrats to rig votes. You won't be able to, because it didn't happen. You do also know that the GAO and several investigations by state attorney generals found that the evidence against Acorn over the criminal accusations levelled against them was fabricated?
On the other hand the Romney campaign have admitted they paid SAC over $3 million and then had to sack them when it became known that they were acting fraudulently to try and fix the vote for the republicans.
So in one election, a party pays a group to get out and register voters, there's a controversy with nothing proven regarding fraudulent registrations, though they were widely acknowledged to have issues in this area.
Now, in another election, a party pays a group to get out and register voters, there's a controvery with nothing yet proven regarding fraudulent registration, though everyone would agree that there are clear problems here.
Notice 'yet'. I recall at the time the evidence against Acorn appeared to be equally damning on the face of it; end result - not a great deal. Some individuals prosecuted, but nothing more than that.
Removing partisan politics out of it, do you honestly think this will have an end result any different - a few throw away bods on the street getting prosecuted for 'misunderstanding' what they were hired to do?
I'm not being trying to be obtuse or bloody minded here, but while there's evidence, there's no proof, and there won't be until a trial. The parallels to Acorn are huge; nothing proven, bad press, both parties paying for 'voter registration' that we both suspect to be dubious (800k for Acorn), no way of proving it.
Now, in another election, a party pays a group to get out and register voters, there's a controvery with nothing yet proven regarding fraudulent registration, though everyone would agree that there are clear problems here.
Notice 'yet'. I recall at the time the evidence against Acorn appeared to be equally damning on the face of it; end result - not a great deal. Some individuals prosecuted, but nothing more than that.
Removing partisan politics out of it, do you honestly think this will have an end result any different - a few throw away bods on the street getting prosecuted for 'misunderstanding' what they were hired to do?
I'm not being trying to be obtuse or bloody minded here, but while there's evidence, there's no proof, and there won't be until a trial. The parallels to Acorn are huge; nothing proven, bad press, both parties paying for 'voter registration' that we both suspect to be dubious (800k for Acorn), no way of proving it.
unrepentant said:
Acorn? Are you serious? Show links that show that Acorn received money from the democrats to rig votes. You won't be able to, because it didn't happen. You do also know that the GAO and several investigations by state attorney generals found that the evidence against Acorn over the criminal accusations levelled against them was fabricated?
You appear to have completely gone over the top, who are you trying to fool, how many people on this forum do you think will or could vote for Obama.All you are doing is misimforming people who may have a genuine interest.
For a start voter registration is legal, it is ok to go out and elicit registrations.
If that worker is collecting voter regs for the GOP, it is highly likely the dozen or so he tossed were GOP ones because that is what he was out collecting.
ACORN, you are correct the Dems did not pay them, ACORN was funded for by tax payers.
When it blew up in Philadelphia the ACORN officials ran leaving empty offices and unpaid workers,
the workers incidently tossed hundreds of Democratic registrations in dumpsters because they were never paid. (and there was no one to give them to)
ABC news filmed them and interviewed them outside the empty ACORN offices, they had to bleep out quite a lot
The dumped registrations, all for the democrats, where given to the commissioner of elections she rejected about 70% for varies reasons, BTW she is a Democrat.
If you want to campaign for Obama that's fine, not a very efficient place to do it, but there is no need to misinform people, try to insert a modicum of truth in each post.
Guam said:
stevejh said:
Ok, so you were watching a different speech to the one I saw too because the one I watched was genuinely funny and it sounded like most of the audience was finding it funny. Ah well, I suppose we all have different senses of humour.
I have to agree I just watched it no jeering, lots of hooting and hollerring and laughing though.A venue like that, the decorum of the situation would not result in jeering in general anyhow. Displeasure would be evidenced by silence in the main.
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jeff m2 said:
For a start voter registration is legal, it is ok to go out and elicit registrations.
If that worker is collecting voter regs for the GOP, it is highly likely the dozen or so he tossed were GOP ones because that is what he was out collecting.
ACORN, you are correct the Dems did not pay them, ACORN was funded for by tax payers.
Of course voter registration is perfectly legal. What is highly illegal, and what SAC operatives paid directly by the Romney campaign were caught on film doing, is registering only voters who say they are going to vote republican. If you are registering voters you are required to register all voters, irrespective of party.If that worker is collecting voter regs for the GOP, it is highly likely the dozen or so he tossed were GOP ones because that is what he was out collecting.
ACORN, you are correct the Dems did not pay them, ACORN was funded for by tax payers.
With phoney ID laws, huge billboards aimed at poor voters telling them that they need ID even after the laws are struck down by the court (seriously), phoney letters sent out to registered democrats telling them they are not registered (received one in my own house) and the SAC shenanigans and you're going to tell me there is no voter suppression being orchestrated by the GOP. C'mon Jeff!
unrepentant said:
jeff m2 said:
For a start voter registration is legal, it is ok to go out and elicit registrations.
If that worker is collecting voter regs for the GOP, it is highly likely the dozen or so he tossed were GOP ones because that is what he was out collecting.
ACORN, you are correct the Dems did not pay them, ACORN was funded for by tax payers.
Of course voter registration is perfectly legal. What is highly illegal, and what SAC operatives paid directly by the Romney campaign were caught on film doing, is registering only voters who say they are going to vote republican. If you are registering voters you are required to register all voters, irrespective of party.If that worker is collecting voter regs for the GOP, it is highly likely the dozen or so he tossed were GOP ones because that is what he was out collecting.
ACORN, you are correct the Dems did not pay them, ACORN was funded for by tax payers.
I repeat...... 70% were rejected by the Commisioner of Elections.
Jeez, in fairness I even gave credit to the Women who threw them out as a Democrat.
Muntu said:
He k out the 'NewLeftMedia' channel. There are dumb f
ks on both sides. Art0ir said:
Why do you fear his election out of interest?
For a start the moronic foreign policy statements have been terrifying to say the least. Also the world has seen what the last republican president did and how he utterly failed and simply made the world more dangerous with his advisors greed and lies. I'm not saying Obama has done a great job either but the golden opportunity was there after the Afghan war to consolidate and eradicate Al Qaeda and the Taliban, that disappeared with the greed that lead to the invasion of Iraq which was an unnecessary distraction.The other worry is that Romney is surrounded by religious extremists and like all extremists they are extremely dangerous.
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