US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

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Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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968 said:
For a start the moronic foreign policy statements have been terrifying to say the least. Also the world has seen what the last republican president did and how he utterly failed and simply made the world more dangerous with his advisors greed and lies. I'm not saying Obama has done a great job either but the golden opportunity was there after the Afghan war to consolidate and eradicate Al Qaeda and the Taliban, that disappeared with the greed that lead to the invasion of Iraq which was an unnecessary distraction.

The other worry is that Romney is surrounded by religious extremists and like all extremists they are extremely dangerous.
Fair point. I'm surprised no one has asked him how he will manage the deficit with all of the action in the middle east he has been hinting at.

968

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248 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Art0ir said:
Fair point. I'm surprised no one has asked him how he will manage the deficit with all of the action in the middle east he has been hinting at.
Well indeed. Of course, like most things he says, it's bks with no substance. He's posturing dangerously in order to appease the extremists in his party. This worries me tremendously as once in power they'll stop at nothing to achieve their aims and if like the last lot, they'll also be profiting personally out of war.

968

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Saturday 20th October 2012
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Guam said:
Are Obamas Extremist influences as much a cause of concern?
I didn't say he was doing a great job, far from it and in fact the handling of the situation in NW Pakistan has been terrible but that's a continuation of Bush.

Countdown

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Saturday 20th October 2012
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Guam said:
Are Obamas Extremist influences as much a cause of concern?
Interesting point. Which democratic politicians would you consider to be extremist? I'm not aware of any lunatic groups akin to the Tea Party.

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Guam said:
Are Obamas Extremist influences as much a cause of concern?
Possibly:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/10...

Don said:
As I noted in the introduction to my book, The Obama Timeline, a jury at a murder trial will often find the accumulated circumstantial evidence so overwhelming that a guilty verdict is obvious—even though there may be no witness to the crime. "The jurors in the Scott Peterson trial believed the collection of evidence more than they believed Scott Peterson. Among other things, the jury thought that being arrested with $15,000 in cash, recently-dyed hair, a newly-grown goatee, four cell phones, camping equipment, a map to a new girlfriend's house, a gun, and his brother's driver's license certainly did not paint a picture of a grieving husband who had nothing to do with his pregnant wife's disappearance and murder."

In the four years I have been gathering information about—and evidence against—Barack Hussein Obama, I have encountered hundreds of coincidences that strike me as amazing. None of those coincidences, by themselves, may mean much. But taken as a whole it is almost impossible to believe they were all the result of chance.

Consider the Obama-related coincidences:

Obama just happened to know 60s far-left radical revolutionary William Ayers, whose father just happened to be Thomas Ayers, who just happened to be a close friend of Obama's communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis, who just happened to work at the communist-sympathizing Chicago Defender with Vernon Jarrett, who just happened to later become the father-in-law of Iranian-born leftist Valerie Jarrett, who Obama just happened to choose as his closest White House advisor, and who just happened to have been CEO of Habitat Company, which just happened to manage public housing in Chicago, which just happened to get millions of dollars from the Illinois state legislature, and which just happened not to properly maintain the housing—which eventually just happened to require demolition.

Valerie Jarrett also just happened to work for the city of Chicago, and just happened to hire Michelle LaVaughan Robinson (later Obama), who just happened to have worked at the Sidley Austin law firm, where former fugitive from the FBI Bernardine Dohrn also just happened to work, and where Barack Obama just happened to get a summer job.

Bernardine Dohrn just happened to be married to William Ayers, with whom she just happened to have hidden from the FBI at a San Francisco marina, along with Donald Warden, who just happened to change his name to Khalid al-Mansour, and Warden/al-Mansour just happened to be a mentor of Black Panther Party founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale and a close associate of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, and al-Mansour just happened to be financial adviser to a Saudi Prince, who just happened to donate cash to Harvard, for which Obama just happened to get a critical letter of recommendation from Percy Sutton, who just happened to have been the attorney for Malcolm X, who just happened to know Kenyan politician Tom Mboya, who just happened to be a close friend of Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., who just happened to meet Malcolm X when he traveled to Kenya.

Obama, Sr. just happened to have his education at the University of Hawaii paid for by the Laubach Literacy Institute, which just happened to have been supported by Elizabeth Mooney Kirk, who just happened to be a friend of Malcolm X, who just happened to have been associated with the Nation of Islam, which was later headed by Louis Farrakhan, who just happens to live very close to Obama's Chicago mansion, which also just happens to be located very close to the residence of William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, who just happen to have been occasional baby-sitters for Malia and Natasha Obama, whose parents just happen not to mind exposing their daughters to bomb-making communists.

After attending Occidental College and Columbia University, where he just happened to have foreign Muslim roommates, Obama moved to Chicago to work for the Industrial Areas Foundation, an organization that just happened to have been founded by Marxist and radical agitator Saul "the Red" Alinsky, author of Rules for Radicals, who just happened to be the topic of Hillary Rodham Clinton's thesis at Wellesley College, and Obama's $25,000 salary at IAF just happened to be funded by a grant from the Woods Fund, which was founded by the Woods family, whose Sahara Coal company just happened to provide coal to Commonwealth Edison, whose CEO just happened to be Thomas Ayers, whose son William Ayers just happened to serve on the board of the Woods Fund, along with Obama.

Obama also worked on voter registration drives in Chicago in the 1980s and just happened to work with leftist political groups like the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and Socialist International (SI), through which Obama met Carl Davidson, who just happened to travel to Cuba during the Vietnam War to sabotage the U.S. war effort, and who just happened to be a former member of the SDS and a member of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, which just happened to sponsor a 2002 anti-war rally at which Obama spoke, and which just happened to have been organized by Marilyn Katz, a former SDS activist and later public relations consultant who just happened to be a long-time friend of Obama's political hatchet man, David Axelrod.

Obama joined Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC), whose pastor was Reverend Jeremiah Wright, a fiery orator who just happened to preach Marxism and Black Liberation Theology and who delivered anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-American sermons, which Obama just happened never to hear because he just happened to miss church only on the days when Wright was at his "most enthusiastic," and Obama just happened never to notice that Oprah Winfrey left the church because it was too radical, and just happened never to notice that the church gave the vile anti-Semitic Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.

Although no one had ever heard of him at the time, Obama just happened to receive an impossible-to-believe $125,000 advance to write a book about race relations, which he just happened to fail to write while using the cash to vacation in Bali with his wife Michelle, and despite his record of non-writing he just happened to receive a second advance, for $40,000, from another publisher, and he eventually completed a manuscript called Dreams From My Father, which just happened to strongly reflect the writing style of William Ayers, who just happened to trample on an American flag for the cover photograph of the popular Chicago magazine, which Obama just happened never to see even though it appeared on newsstands throughout the city.

Obama was hired by the law firm Miner, Banhill and Galland, which just happened to specialize in negotiating state government contracts to develop low-income housing, and which just happened to deal with now-imprisoned Tony Rezko and his firm Rezar, and with slumlord Valerie Jarrett, and the law firm's Judson Miner just happened to have been a classmate of Bernardine Dohrn, wife of William Ayers.

In 1994 Obama represented ACORN and another plaintiff in a lawsuit against Citibank for denying mortgages to blacks (Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Federal Savings Bank), and the lawsuit just happened to result in banks being blackmailed into approving subprime loans for poor credit risks, a trend which just happened to spread nationwide, and which just happened to lead to the collapse of the housing bubble, which just happened to help Obama defeat John McCain in the 2008 presidential election.

In 1996 Obama ran for the Illinois State Senate and joined the "New Party," which just happened to promote Marxism, and Obama was supported by Dr. Quentin Yong, a socialist who just happened to support a government takeover of the health care system.

In late 1999 Obama purportedly engaged in homosexual activities and cocaine-snorting in the back of a limousine with a man named Larry Sinclair, who claims he was contacted in late 2007 by Donald Young, who just happened to be the gay choir director of Obama's Chicago church and who shared information with Sinclair about Obama, and Young just happened to be murdered on December 23, 2007, just weeks after Larry Bland, another gay member of the church, just happened to be murdered, and both murders just happened to have never been solved. In 2008 Sinclair held a press conference to discuss his claims, and just happened to be arrested immediately after the event, based on a warrant issued by Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, who just happens to be the son of Joe Biden.

In 2003 Obama and his wife attended a dinner in honor of Rashid Khalidi, who just happened to be a former PLO operative, harsh critic of Israel, and advocate of Palestinian rights, and who Obama claims he does not know, even though the Obamas just happened to have dined more than once at the home of Khalidi and his wife, Mona, and just happened to have used them as occasional baby-sitters. Obama reportedly praised Khalidi at the decidedly anti-Semitic event, which William Ayers just happened to also attend, and the event Obama pretends he never attended was sponsored by the Arab American Action Network, to which Obama just happened to have funneled cash while serving on the board of the Woods Fund with William Ayers, and one speaker at the dinner remarked that if Palestinians cannot secure a return of their land, Israel "will never see a day of peace," and entertainment at the dinner included a Muslim children's dance whose performances just happened to include simulated beheadings with fake swords, and stomping on American, Israeli, and British flags, and Obama allegedly told the audience that "Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine" and there has been "genocide against the Palestinian people by (the) Israelis," and the Los Angeles Times has a videotape of the event but just happens to refuse to make it public.

In the 2004 Illinois Democrat primary race for the U.S. Senate, front-runner Blair Hull just happened to be forced out of the race after David Axelrod just happened to manage to get Hull's sealed divorce records unsealed, which just happened to enable Obama to win the primary, so he could face popular Republican Jack Ryan, whose sealed child custody records from his divorce just happened to become unsealed, forcing Ryan to withdraw from the race, which just happened to enable the unqualified Obama to waltz into the U.S. Senate, where, after a mere 143 days of work, he just happened to decide he was qualified to run for President of the United States.

Obama just happened to save $300,000 on the purchase of a $1.65 million Chicago mansion for which he deposited only $1,000 in earnest money, while the seller's adjacent empty lot which was appraised at no more than $500,000 just happened to be sold at the inflated price of $625,000 to Rita Rezko, who just happened to earn only $37,000 per year working for Cook County government, and who just happened to be married to Tony Rezko, who just happened to be Obama's main money man for his political campaigns, and who only days before the Obama mansion purchase just happened to obtain a $3.5 million loan from wealthy Iraqi Nadhmi Auchi, who just happened to have been kicked out of Iraq, and who just happened to have been convicted of corruption charges in France, and who just happened to ask Rezko to ask then-U.S. Senator Obama to help him obtain a visa to travel to the United States.

Rita Rezko just happened to borrow the money for the $625,000 empty lot from the Mutual Bank of Harvey, which just happened to be run by Tony Rezko's pal Amrish Mahajan, whose wife Anita just happened to have been charged with fraudulently receiving $2 million in Illinois taxpayer dollars for drug tests never performed by her company, K. K. Bio-Science, which just happened to have a no-bid contract with the state, and whose computers just happened to disappear right before investigators arrived to take them away for evidence.

Obama just happened to obtain a $1.32 million mortgage for his mansion even though the payments of $8,000 per month (plus at least $1,500 per month in property taxes) exceeded 50 percent of his $162,100 U.S Senate salary income, and even though Michelle Obama was claiming that she and her husband were still paying off substantial student loans and were struggling to pay for piano lessons for their daughters, one of whom just happens to look remarkably like one of the daughters of Malcolm X.

Obama just happened to obtain his mansion mortgage from Northern Trust Bank, whose Board of Directors just happened to include Susan Crown, who just happened to be part of the wealthy Crown family, which just happened to donate to Obama's campaigns, and which just happened to have ownership in defense contractor General Dynamics Corporation, and the Crown family just happened to sit on the board of energy company Exelon, formerly known as Commonwealth Edison, which just happened to have had Thomas Ayers as its CEO, and the Crown family also owned the Maytag appliance company, which just happened to move its operations to Mexico, after its employees just happened to donate to Obama's campaign, after he just happened to pledge that he would keep their jobs in Galesburg, Illinois.

In June 2005, just months after Obama became a U.S. Senator, Michelle Obama just happened to be named a "non-executive director" of the board of TreeHouse Foods, a supplier of Wal-Mart, for a salary of $51,200 in 2005 and $101,083 in 2006, and she just happened to be given 7,500 TreeHouse stock options, worth approximately $72,375, even though she just happened to know nothing about the private sector or running a business.

In 2006 Obama pushed for a $1 million earmark for the University of Chicago, and his wife Michelle just happened to be promoted to Vice-President of Community and External Affairs for the hospitals with a salary increase from $121,900 to $316,962, and she just happened to receive public relations help from Obama's political strategist David Axelrod, whose mother just happened to write for a communist newspaper.

In 2006 Sarah P. Herlihy, an associate of the Chicago law firm of Kirkland and Ellis, whose employees later contributed $87,722 to Obama's presidential campaign, and whose partner Bruce I. Ettleson just happened to be a member of Obama's campaign finance committee, just happened to write a paper calling for the elimination of the "natural born citizen" requirement in the U.S. Constitution.

Obama just happened to visit Kenya in 2006 to support his cousin, Raila Odinga, a Muslim socialist candidate for president, who just happened to have ties to both al-Qaeda and Libya's Muammar Qaddafi, and who just happened to have been educated in communist East Germany, and who just happened to name his son Fidel, and who just happened to plan on establishing Shari'ah Muslim law in Kenya, and whose activities prompted the Kenyan government to lodge an official protest of Obama's passport abuse and misconduct, and Obama's actions just happened to have been denounced by the U.S. State Department as being in direct opposition to U.S. National Security, and after Odinga, for whom Obama just happened to have raised $950,000, lost the election, his Muslim followers just happened to burn Christian women and children alive in a church where they had sought refuge.

In 2006 Obama endorsed Alexi Giannoulias in his race for Illinois State Treasurer and stated that he is "…one of the most outstanding young men I could ever hope to meet"—even though Giannoulias just happened to be only 29 years old and even though his family's Broadway Bank just happened to finance Chicago crime figures like Michael "Jaws" Giorango, a Chicago thug with convictions for bookmaking and promoting prostitution, and even though virtually all of Chicago's Democrat politicians were keeping their distance from Giannoulias, whose reputation was so questionable he even failed to get the endorsement of the Chicago Democrat Party—which just happens to almost never be concerned about questionable reputations.

Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, once worked for the Ford Foundation's Asia program, which just happened to be run by Peter Geithner, who just happened to be the father of Timothy Geithner, who just happened to neglect to pay Social Security taxes on much of his income, which just happened to somehow qualify him to be Obama's Treasury Secretary.

During the 2008 campaign Obama's passport records just happened to have been illegally searched by an employee of a firm headed by John O. Brennan, and Lt. Quarles Harris, Jr., who was cooperating with federal investigators in connection with the incident, just happened to be found with a bullet in his head, and the murder just happened never to be solved, and Obama later just happened to make Brennan his terrorism and intelligence advisor.

On election night in 2008 in Chicago's Grant Park, Obama just happened to wear a black suit and a red tie, and his older daughter just happened to wear a red dress, and his younger daughter just happened to wear a stark black dress, and his wife Michelle just happened to wear an arguably unattractive black dress that appeared to have a giant red X design, which just happened to prompt some to wonder if their clothing just happened to denote black power, communism, and Malcolm X, and at the very least prompted others to wonder why anyone would have his daughter wear a jet-black dress for a celebratory occasion—or where one could even just happen to find a store that sells black dresses for little girls.

From election night forward there are hundreds of other "just happeneds," not the least of which is the long-form birth certificate released by Obama in April 2011 which just happened to consist of multiple image layers, including various objects which can be separated and rotated with computer software—which just happens to be impossible if a birth certificate is merely scanned and not computer-constructed by a forger.

I could go on… but you get the idea.

P.S. If Obama just happens to win reelection on November 6, remember that hyperinflation just happens to be the inescapable consequence of printing trillions of dollars to cover massive government deficits
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Edited by Muntu on Saturday 20th October 22:15

Countdown

39,854 posts

196 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Muntu said:
Guam said:
Are Obamas Extremist influences as much a cause of concern?
Possibly:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/10...
Random Nutjob said:
In the four years I have been gathering information about—and evidence against—Barack Hussein Obama, I have encountered hundreds of coincidences that strike me as amazing. None of those coincidences, by themselves, may mean much. But taken as a whole it is almost impossible to believe they were all the result of chance.
Well I'm convinced........

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Countdown said:
Well I'm convinced........
Can't say I'm surprised biggrin


Countdown

39,854 posts

196 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Guam said:
Countdown said:
Interesting point. Which democratic politicians would you consider to be extremist? I'm not aware of any lunatic groups akin to the Tea Party.
The point made was regarding extremist associates, seems to me both sides have issues, Obamas are well documented It doesnt take much googling to find them. <indeed further back on the thread I posted a Link to a break down on some current denizens in the whitehouse>.

I dont doubt the veracity of the posters comment, a <list of Romneys extremists would be useful though>.
I read 968's post as referring to groups rather than individuals <I could be mistaken>.

What frightens me is that Romney whilst not a bad person will be controlled by the extremists within the GOP such as the Tea Partyers, and effectively become a puppet, like the Texan Chimp was for the Neo-Cons. And we all know how well that turned out.....

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Interesting: When desperation strikes incumbents:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/20/when-despera...

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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Countdown said:
Guam said:
Countdown said:
Interesting point. Which democratic politicians would you consider to be extremist? I'm not aware of any lunatic groups akin to the Tea Party.
The point made was regarding extremist associates, seems to me both sides have issues, Obamas are well documented It doesnt take much googling to find them. <indeed further back on the thread I posted a Link to a break down on some current denizens in the whitehouse>.

I dont doubt the veracity of the posters comment, a <list of Romneys extremists would be useful though>.
I read 968's post as referring to groups rather than individuals <I could be mistaken>.

What frightens me is that Romney whilst not a bad person will be controlled by the extremists within the GOP such as the Tea Partyers, and effectively become a puppet, like the Texan Chimp was for the Neo-Cons. And we all know how well that turned out.....
I must have missed all these isolationist, economic small govt Tea-Partyers who suddenly become interventionist, religious jihadists!

Or alternatively you could be thinking about the religious right of the GOP who arent the tea boys, but entirely different considering as they are from the opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Wadeski

8,157 posts

213 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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The Tea Party is a pretty broad church. check out the banners at Tea Party rallies...they aren't short of some of the other bonkers wings of the GOP.

Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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Guam said:
There is information leaking out that during the attack in Benghazi the US had Predators over the location. Yet allegedly declined to use them to facilitate a defense?

If that is true and a rescue mission was prevented let alone use of the Drones to save Stevens life, I cant see how that wont prove devastating in the run up to the election?
Well given their previous records there's a fair chance they would have flattened the compound with the occupants inside anyway.

unrepentant

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Sunday 21st October 2012
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Wadeski said:
The Tea Party is a pretty broad church. check out the banners at Tea Party rallies...they aren't short of some of the other bonkers wings of the GOP.
The tea party was hijacked by the right wing of the Republican party after the 08 election. The original ideals of small government and constitutional observance (as preached by Ron Paul who IS a conviction politician) have been reduced to a sidebar. The principle aim of the hijackers is to thwart whatever the president tries to do and to remove any republicans who refuse to accept the doctrine of non co-operation and sign Grover Norquist's dumb tax pledge. The result is that good republicans like Richard Lugar and others who have always worked across the aisle and in the interests of the country as a whole were booted out in the primaries in favour of "tea party" whackos whose "my way or the highway" approach appealed to the right wingers. It has also meant that some previously safe as houses republican seats are up for grabs because the voters are smarter than that. As an example Lugar's old seat (that he held for 30 years) is in the balance and could well go blue.

Durruti

1,020 posts

238 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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This seems the most appropriate place on PH to note the passing of George McGovern. I suggested 4 years ago that his campaign against Nixon in '72 bore some interesting parallels to Obamas against Bush.


Art0ir

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170 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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Durruti said:
This seems the most appropriate place on PH to note the passing of George McGovern. I suggested 4 years ago that his campaign against Nixon in '72 bore some interesting parallels to Obamas against Bush.

Freudian slip?

Durruti

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238 months

Sunday 21st October 2012
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Art0ir said:
Freudian slip?
Apologies - for some strange reason McCain had leaked from my memory................

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Guam said:
This is bound to play well in the US, they love the UN telling them what to do smile

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/21/UN-W...
Bit of journalistic license there. The guy did not say "Do not elect Romney", he said "the reintroduction of waterboarding under a Romney administration would..."

Muntu

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Monday 22nd October 2012
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Made me smile biggrin

jeff m2

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Monday 22nd October 2012
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Guam said:
This is bound to play well in the US, they love the UN telling them what to do smile

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/21/UN-W...
Almost as much as you love Brussels,

Although roasted with garlic they are quite tasty.

unrepentant

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Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Romney is well out of his depth tonight, very weak.

Best line of the night. Romney clearly doesn't understand modern warfare and wants to spend 2 trillion extra on the military that the military haven't asked for and the country can't afford. He cited the fact that we have fewer ships than we had in 1916. Obama: "we also have fewer horses and bayonets governor".

Romney is flustered, stumbling, confused and for the 3rd debate running is trying to have the last word on every subject and is bhing at the moderator when he won't let him. Anyone who wants to put this idiot in charge of national security needs their bumps feeling.

Obama has come across as statesmanlike and confident, a proper commander in chief.