US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

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Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Ayahuasca said:
Re Libya, I heard on a US news channel that security for the diplomats had been sub-contracted to a UK firm who were unarmed and patrolled the area with batons. Sorry, it was the Brits' fault!

G4S?

Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Guam said:
Actually more bks from you, usually <not always> the IRA <or whoever> would call with a pre agreed codeword. Having spent time in Northern Ireland including Night patrols in belfast and being in the OP on the top of the Diviss Flats they knew often as not ahead of time who the organisation was <and usually very soon afterwards if the pre notification failed>.


Any more crap you want to bring up?
Interesting, there's a guy on another forum I frequent spent time atop Divis. Wonder if you know eachother.

Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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GavinPearson said:
don't recall when I was using Damascus's bus system in the heart of the tourist area as a teenager in the midst of an FSA bombing campaign that there were any rules at all. They were quite happy to kill civillians too. And lots of people from outside of Syria were bankrolling them to do so without bothering to think about the consequences of their actions.
Couldn't resist..

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Art0ir said:
GavinPearson said:
don't recall when I was using Damascus's bus system in the heart of the tourist area as a teenager in the midst of an FSA bombing campaign that there were any rules at all. They were quite happy to kill civillians too. And lots of people from outside of Syria were bankrolling them to do so without bothering to think about the consequences of their actions.
Couldn't resist..
Nice one smile No-one has asked what happens to the millions of non Sunni's who currently support Assad. For another thread obviously.

unrepentant

Original Poster:

21,260 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Here's a Republican who really does know something about foreign policy and the military - and he's endorsing Barack Obama for President.

We salute you, General Colin Powell.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/25/po...

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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unrepentant said:
Here's a Republican who really does know something about foreign policy and the military - and he's endorsing Barack Obama for President.

We salute you, General Colin Powell.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/25/po...
Good for Colin. Has he ever been wrong about anything in the past? biggrin

I predict BHO will be on 'his' bike come election day.

Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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unrepentant said:
Here's a Republican who really does know something about foreign policy and the military - and he's endorsing Barack Obama for President.

We salute you, General Colin Powell.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/25/po...
>> Champions support of Colin Powell

>> Expects people to take him seriously

unrepentant

Original Poster:

21,260 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Interesting article about the Benghazi attacks here by a former CIA military analyst.

Tara Maller said:
People have questioned why the administration didn't immediately report that the Benghazi attack was the work of terrorists. But we don't know whether analysts had enough credible intelligence on hand at the time to be absolutely sure of the nature of the attack. Reports indicate that the intelligence community's evaluations evolved in the following days and weeks as information came in, and policymakers were briefed as assessments changed and solidified. This is common practice.

Claims such as these need to be corroborated. Sometimes multiple groups claim responsibility after attacks; obviously claims of responsibility are often false. It's also possible that the attackers had ties to multiple groups, or had different motives. Expecting policymakers to publicly examine and go through every conflicting piece of intelligence collected in the hours before and after an attack would be unreasonable and potentially even damaging to national security.
Well bugger me, an expert agreeing with exactly what I said. wink

Like I said ad nauseum it's correct protocol to establish the facts before going public with them.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/25/opinion/maller-cia-b...


Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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unrepentant said:
Interesting article about the Benghazi attacks here by a former CIA military analyst.

Tara Maller said:
People have questioned why the administration didn't immediately report that the Benghazi attack was the work of terrorists. But we don't know whether analysts had enough credible intelligence on hand at the time to be absolutely sure of the nature of the attack. Reports indicate that the intelligence community's evaluations evolved in the following days and weeks as information came in, and policymakers were briefed as assessments changed and solidified. This is common practice.

Claims such as these need to be corroborated. Sometimes multiple groups claim responsibility after attacks; obviously claims of responsibility are often false. It's also possible that the attackers had ties to multiple groups, or had different motives. Expecting policymakers to publicly examine and go through every conflicting piece of intelligence collected in the hours before and after an attack would be unreasonable and potentially even damaging to national security.
Well bugger me, an expert agreeing with exactly what I said. wink

Like I said ad nauseum it's correct protocol to establish the facts before going public with them.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/25/opinion/maller-cia-b...
The intelligence leading up to 9/11 had similarities, all we had after the attacks was years of 'blame Bush'.

Quite a difference now BHO is in charge...

unrepentant

Original Poster:

21,260 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Interesting article about the Benghazi attacks here by a former CIA military analyst.

Tara Maller said:
People have questioned why the administration didn't immediately report that the Benghazi attack was the work of terrorists. But we don't know whether analysts had enough credible intelligence on hand at the time to be absolutely sure of the nature of the attack. Reports indicate that the intelligence community's evaluations evolved in the following days and weeks as information came in, and policymakers were briefed as assessments changed and solidified. This is common practice.

Claims such as these need to be corroborated. Sometimes multiple groups claim responsibility after attacks; obviously claims of responsibility are often false. It's also possible that the attackers had ties to multiple groups, or had different motives. Expecting policymakers to publicly examine and go through every conflicting piece of intelligence collected in the hours before and after an attack would be unreasonable and potentially even damaging to national security.
Well bugger me, an expert agreeing with exactly what I said. wink

Like I said ad nauseum it's correct protocol to establish the facts before going public with them.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/25/opinion/maller-cia-b...
The intelligence leading up to 9/11 had similarities, all we had after the attacks was years of 'blame Bush'.

Quite a difference now BHO is in charge...
Really? I don't recall Bush being blamed personally for 9/11 and that's certainly never been the vibe that I've picked up in the US. He's blamed for plenty of what went after, the invasion of Iraq etc.. but I don't think I've ever heard any serious commentator laying 9/11 at his door.

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Guam said:
the Bart simpson defence smile
hehe

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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unrepentant said:
Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Interesting article about the Benghazi attacks here by a former CIA military analyst.

Tara Maller said:
People have questioned why the administration didn't immediately report that the Benghazi attack was the work of terrorists. But we don't know whether analysts had enough credible intelligence on hand at the time to be absolutely sure of the nature of the attack. Reports indicate that the intelligence community's evaluations evolved in the following days and weeks as information came in, and policymakers were briefed as assessments changed and solidified. This is common practice.

Claims such as these need to be corroborated. Sometimes multiple groups claim responsibility after attacks; obviously claims of responsibility are often false. It's also possible that the attackers had ties to multiple groups, or had different motives. Expecting policymakers to publicly examine and go through every conflicting piece of intelligence collected in the hours before and after an attack would be unreasonable and potentially even damaging to national security.
Well bugger me, an expert agreeing with exactly what I said. wink

Like I said ad nauseum it's correct protocol to establish the facts before going public with them.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/25/opinion/maller-cia-b...
The intelligence leading up to 9/11 had similarities, all we had after the attacks was years of 'blame Bush'.

Quite a difference now BHO is in charge...
Really? I don't recall Bush being blamed personally for 9/11 and that's certainly never been the vibe that I've picked up in the US. He's blamed for plenty of what went after, the invasion of Iraq etc.. but I don't think I've ever heard any serious commentator laying 9/11 at his door.
Try NYT, amongst others.

unrepentant

Original Poster:

21,260 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Here's a Republican who really does know something about foreign policy and the military - and he's endorsing Barack Obama for President.

We salute you, General Colin Powell.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/25/po...
Good for Colin. Has he ever been wrong about anything in the past? biggrin

I predict BHO will be on 'his' bike come election day.
Powell is one of the few characters from the Bush administration that is genuinely respected by pretty much everyone.

As for the bike... I suspect that it will be a gold plated device with a lackey doing the pedalling and a punkha wallah running alongside. And it will be conveying Romney back to whichever home he's planning to retire to. wink

unrepentant

Original Poster:

21,260 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Muntu said:
Try NYT, amongst others.
Linky please.

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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unrepentant said:
Muntu said:
Try NYT, amongst others.
Linky please.
fk me, you are bone idle biggrin

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&...

6th one down

unrepentant

Original Poster:

21,260 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Muntu said:
Try NYT, amongst others.
Linky please.
fk me, you are bone idle biggrin

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&...

6th one down
Ok, I'm with you now. There has been plenty of comment very recently about intelligence failures. But that really is a recent thing and Bush has not and is not generally blamed for 9/11. Interestingly terrorism wasn't even discussed in the 2000 presidential debates.

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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unrepentant said:
Powell is one of the few characters from the Bush administration that is genuinely respected by pretty much everyone.

As for the bike... I suspect that it will be a gold plated device with a lackey doing the pedalling and a punkha wallah running alongside. And it will be conveying Romney back to whichever home he's planning to retire to. wink
Sounds a bit racist to me.

/leftist

unrepentant

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21,260 posts

256 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Powell is one of the few characters from the Bush administration that is genuinely respected by pretty much everyone.

As for the bike... I suspect that it will be a gold plated device with a lackey doing the pedalling and a punkha wallah running alongside. And it will be conveying Romney back to whichever home he's planning to retire to. wink
Sounds a bit racist to me.

/leftist
Leftist? Me? I voted for Thatcher 3 times.

Well..... technically I voted for that twunt Tony Baldry but you know what I mean... biggrin


Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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unrepentant said:
Leftist? Me? I voted for Thatcher 3 times.

Well..... technically I voted for that twunt Tony Baldry but you know what I mean... biggrin
hehethumbup

Muntu

7,635 posts

199 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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RNC web ad

http://youtu.be/ogdjQjxH8LM

Quite good, IMO