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turbobloke

67,611 posts

156 months

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unrepentant said:
turbobloke said:
Hang on a mo. Is that a very recent poll which has Romney ahead? Ahead of the racing certainty unbeatable gonna win it easy Obama?

How can it possibly be even close, I mean, Obama will win, obviously, even though he's 3 points behind and has been sliding for the last three weeks.
Obama doesn't need to win the popular vote (although I think he will). Reality is that he's winning in 8 of 12 swing states and level in a ninth. He'll win the election with 5 or 6. I think he'll end up with a comfortable margin of victory in the electoral college. The headline popular vote figures are fairly meaningless without context.
It looks a closer contest than I had thought it would be.

unrepentant

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16,646 posts

152 months

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turbobloke said:
It looks a closer contest than I had thought it would be.
Maybe. In 2010 people were forecasting that Obama would be crushed in '12. That was before they got a look at the quality of the likely republican nominees........

Mermaid

21,343 posts

67 months

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unrepentant said:
turbobloke said:
It looks a closer contest than I had thought it would be.
Maybe. In 2010 people were forecasting that Obama would be crushed in '12. That was before they got a look at the quality of the likely republican nominees........
In Barrons:

unrepentant

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16,646 posts

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Mermaid said:
unrepentant said:
turbobloke said:
It looks a closer contest than I had thought it would be.
Maybe. In 2010 people were forecasting that Obama would be crushed in '12. That was before they got a look at the quality of the likely republican nominees........
In Barrons:
Who do Barrons poll because those figures differ wildly from most others.

Captain Cadillac

2,929 posts

83 months

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unrepentant said:
Who do Barrons poll because those figures differ wildly from most others.
Schizophrenics?

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jeff m2

1,563 posts

47 months

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unrepentant said:
jeff m2 said:
You need a photo I.D. for welfare or to cash an unemployment check.
That includes white people
No you don't.
I have been helping somebody less fortunate than us.
They had a problem cashing their unemployment check, I said that's xxxxxxx ridiculous. Got in the car took him to the bank, they cashed it. He said I tried to cash it two days ago in the drive thru they said I needed an account.
What if I wasn't with him would you have cashed it without ID or an account. Probably not.
I assume the "probably not" meant no.
He is not a welfare recip, but lost his lic (DUI), so no ID. Called local Dem office (I know them) they tell him to get a State ID.
He has just got a job and still uses the same ID to cash his payroll check.

This problem is not really a political one, it is a hassle for lots of people who live a paycheck to paycheck existance.
That's blue, black, red and green people, poor, poorish and destitute. It affects them all every week, not just blacks once every four years.

But it is been used as red or possibly a blue herring.

Anything to shift people away from the economy.

Captain Cadillac

2,929 posts

83 months

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jeff m2 said:
Anything to shift people away from the economy.
clap

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

78 months

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Symbolica said:
I love this thread, two entrenched camps more interested in telling you why the other side are a bunch of aholes, not why they're any better. If I was a US citizen I'd be thoroughly embarrassed at this circus.
yes

Couldn't agree more. All rather sad really.

unrepentant

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16,646 posts

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jeff m2 said:
Poor people just get the stty end of the stick no matter what.
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jeff m2

1,563 posts

47 months

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unrepentant said:
jeff m2 said:
Poor people just get the stty end of the stick no matter what.
yes
Unfortunately that's true (with or without the misquotesmile

unrepentant

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Captain Cadillac said:
Agreed. It sucks to be poor.

Meanwhile I offer the following:

Low end? $50k a year. Potential to break $100k.

Requirements:

No felony convictions for financial crimes/consumer fraud.
Current drivers license.
A high school diploma isn't required.
Willingness to work hard and show up to work on time.
Willingness to work 50-60 hours a week.
Health and dental benefits after 90 days.
Willingness to listen and follow direction.
Ability to generally be nice and get along with people.

And I have a hard time recruiting. Granted as the percentage of Americans who are actually employed continues to shrink and job creation is less than 10% of what's required to keep pace with the natural population increase we are getting much better candidates
Downside - you have to sell Neons and Commanders and listen to the captains bs all day biggrin

Art0ir

8,219 posts

66 months

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Symbolica said:
I love this thread, two entrenched camps more interested in telling you why the other side are a bunch of aholes, not why they're any better. If I was a US citizen I'd be thoroughly embarrassed at this circus.
Art0ir said:
The sheer ignorance and blind adoration for the respective candidates is vomit inducing, on both sides.

Obama is a hypocrite, his "recovering" economy is nothing more than an ever expanding credit card bill. If I bought a new sofa and put a payment down a car with my credit card, do you think people would take me seriously if I went around saying "Look! I've really made it now!".

Romney is a fundamentalist warmonger. I know it's taboo to discuss a candidate's religion (Christ, most of the GOP are still convinced Obama is a Muslim) but Romney's is a concern, particularly in foreign policy. He believes America is the divine land. That America is "Divinely Inspired" and that America is the Land of Zion.

But key, is he believes he will be answerable only to God (if he's as dedicated as he claims to the religion).

The whole abortion thing is just a distraction, on the scheme of things it's way down the list for most people I'd imagine.

Obama wants to continue his credit-fuelled socialist dream, and Romney wants to cut taxes for the already rich and is using "trickle down" economics to justify it. 'Cos that works right?

Corporate profits go up (all time high)



Wages go down (all time low)

Art0ir

8,219 posts

66 months

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Captain Cadillac said:
No matter what assholes in Washington try and skullfk this country, no matter what stupid socialist leaning bullst schemes they think up to piss away our tax dollars, no matter how bad things are right now (and they are quite bad) I still for one am a believer in the American dream because it still exists and it still works. In spite of what some politicians would like you to think.
Really? Talk to your fellow american factory worker that can't even support his family on his basic wage. The guy that has to do 15 hours a week overtime to pay for his kid's school fees.

The inequality in America is astounding and neither Obama's socialist dream nor Romney's tax reduction for the wealthy will solve it. American corporations have more money in their pockets than they have had in a long, long time. American business is doing just fine. The issue is wages do not match the corporate profits like they used to. THAT is the American issue.

Art0ir

8,219 posts

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No idea how my comment appeared above yours, but alas!

Art0ir

8,219 posts

66 months

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Actually it appears to be DLS time's fault

Captain Cadillac

2,929 posts

83 months

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jeff m2 said:
unrepentant said:
jeff m2 said:
Poor people just get the stty end of the stick no matter what.
yes
Unfortunately that's true (with or without the misquotesmile
Agreed. It sucks to be poor.

Meanwhile I offer the following:

Low end? $50k a year. Potential to break $100k.

Requirements:

No felony convictions for financial crimes/consumer fraud.
Current drivers license.
A high school diploma isn't required.
Willingness to work hard and show up to work on time.
Willingness to work 50-60 hours a week.
Health and dental benefits after 90 days.
Willingness to listen and follow direction.
Ability to generally be nice and get along with people.

And I have a hard time recruiting. Granted as the percentage of Americans who are actually employed continues to shrink and job creation is less than 10% of what's required to keep pace with the natural population increase we are getting much better candidates.

But the sad fact is, until not too long ago anyone willing to simply work hard can make a good living in this country and support a family. Not saying you'll be driving an S550 to work while wearing a Zegna suit, but you can feed and house a family in relative comfort.

Does being poor suck? Absolutely. Is being poor the only option for most poor people? Not as much as you'd be led to believe.... Not even fking close.

No matter what assholes in Washington try and skullfk this country, no matter what stupid socialist leaning bullst schemes they think up to piss away our tax dollars, no matter how bad things are right now (and they are quite bad) I still for one am a believer in the American dream because it still exists and it still works. In spite of what some politicians would like you to think.

GavinPearson

5,580 posts

147 months

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The deciding turn in the election is now going to be this:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-reporting/t...

There is a mountain of evidence that says the Ambassador's and CIA's requests for help during 9/11/12 attack on the US Embassy in Benghazi were deliberately ignored by personnel at the very highest level.

Fox has had numerous ex-military personnel on tonight calling the Obama administration "cowardly" amongst other choice words and a number of Democrat commentators have called this sickening.

If the public ignores this as much of the media has and still votes Obama in, he will probably be impeached for this. This really is big, far bigger than what Donald Trump could ever imagine.

unrepentant

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16,646 posts

152 months

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The NYT has offocially endorsed President Obama for a second term.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/27/new-york-...

NYT said:
"(Romney) has tied himself to the ultraconservative forces that control the Republican Party and embraced their policies, including reckless budget cuts and 30-year-old, discredited trickle-down ideas," the editorial board writes of Romney. "Voters may still be confused about Mr. Romney’s true identity, but they know the Republican Party, and a Romney administration would reflect its agenda." The editorial adds that the appointment of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) to Romney's ticket "says volumes" about what a Romney presidency would entail.

Captain Cadillac

2,929 posts

83 months

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unrepentant said:
The NYT has offocially endorsed President Obama for a second term.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/27/new-york-...

NYT said:
"(Romney) has tied himself to the ultraconservative forces that control the Republican Party and embraced their policies, including reckless budget cuts and 30-year-old, discredited trickle-down ideas," the editorial board writes of Romney. "Voters may still be confused about Mr. Romney’s true identity, but they know the Republican Party, and a Romney administration would reflect its agenda." The editorial adds that the appointment of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) to Romney's ticket "says volumes" about what a Romney presidency would entail.
The NY Times endorsed Obama? Wow... Do you think Chris Matthews will endorse him as well?

In much more interesting news the Des Moines Register endorsed Romney today. It is the first time in 40 years that they have endorsed a Republican.

How about this... How about we tally up a list of newspapers who endorsed McCain that are now endorsing Obama?

Captain Cadillac

2,929 posts

83 months

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unrepentant said:
Downside - you have to sell Neons and Commanders and listen to the captains bs all day biggrin
Hi.

It's 2012. Neons haven't been sold since Dubya was president. Commanders? Since 2010.

I'm also rather good at what I do. biggrin

But out of curiosity, what does making snide remarks have anything to do with the election, or related subjects? Just curious to see where your logic is on this.

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