US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

[Marf]

jeff m2 said:

Are you paid ?

Shelters always ask for tinned goods.
What planet are you on.
Spokesman (actually a woman)for the Red Cross said they do not need blood for New York, New Jersey.
The only reason they need blood is because their unit count is down due to blood drives being cancelled.
We do not need blood.
This is NOT a medical emergency.

Campaign but please stop misleading people (again)

Whoa there lone rider!

http://gma.yahoo.com/aid-organizations-prefer-cash...

article said:

Mitt Romney's hastily organized storm relief event in Ohio on Tuesday highlighted a difficult reality for aid organizations.
They'll take canned goods and supplies, but they'd much rather have cash.

The American Red Cross, contacted by ABC News, offered a statement encouraging individuals to donate blood or money, adding that they are grateful for the support from the Romney campaign, and their solicitations of financial donations on behalf of the Red Cross.

The Red Cross and other aid organizations like FEMA have long said that donations of food, clothing and other small in-kind items force them to divert crucial resources away from relief efforts and toward sorting and cleaning donations.

UR is right in what he says.

Edited by Marf on Thursday 1st November 15:44

[unrepentant]

jeff m2 said:

Are you paid ?

Shelters always ask for tinned goods.
What planet are you on.

From the Red Cross website;

Red Cross said:

unfortunately due to constraints the Red Cross does not accept or solicit individual items, collected food, used items or clothes must be repackaged, transports which impedes the valuable resources of money, time, and personnel. financial contributions allow the Red Cross to purchase exactly what’s needed for a disaster relief operation.

This was a cynical photo op by a cynical losing candidate using your people for political gain. I don't blame you for being angry Jeff, just be angry at the right people. If Romney had his way FEMA wouldn't exist and you'd all be in a much worse position.

[jeff m2]

Mermaid said:

Stock market performance favours Obama

But the economy doesn't, market is at a solid 13, but it is being fuelled.
QE 3 is different to 1 & 2 in that it is continuous. every month, not single hits like one and two.
That's 40 B a month into MBSs.

[unrepentant]

Wow, look at that huge crowd of Romney enthusiasts.

[Mermaid]

Guam said:

jeff m2 said:

But the economy doesn't, market is at a solid 13, but it is being fuelled.
QE 3 is different to 1 & 2 in that it is continuous. every month, not single hits like one and two.
That's 40 B a month into MBSs.

Correct, the Market is responding to QE, indeed this was raised by economists way before the election, that Bernanke, was devalueing the currency to pump wall street.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with Confidence in Mr O

However, if there was no QE and the market was at 2009 levels, you can be sure Obama would be looking for a job. 401k's is what it is all about to the "average" citizen

[unrepentant]

jeff m2 said:

Mermaid said:

Stock market performance favours Obama

But the economy doesn't, market is at a solid 13, but it is being fuelled.
QE 3 is different to 1 & 2 in that it is continuous. every month, not single hits like one and two.
That's 40 B a month into MBSs.

Ignore share prices if you want. Corporate PROFITS are at a record level.

If you look at all the indicators, icluding consumer spending on luxury goods, the economy is recovering.

[jeff m2]

unrepentant said:

jeff m2 said:

Are you paid ?

Shelters always ask for tinned goods.
What planet are you on.

From the Red Cross website;

Red Cross said:

unfortunately due to constraints the Red Cross does not accept or solicit individual items, collected food, used items or clothes must be repackaged, transports which impedes the valuable resources of money, time, and personnel. financial contributions allow the Red Cross to purchase exactly what’s needed for a disaster relief operation.

You conveniently ommited the blood bit, no matter.
The red cross provides cots and borrows buildings.
Do you mean you have never donated tinned goods to a shelter or seen pleas for tinned good for those in need or distress.

What sort of heartless place do you live in?
Living in a GOP town is not a valid reply

[Mermaid]

"Bob Janjuah, fixed income strategist at Nomura Securities, advises investors to watch 1,450 on the S&P 500 as a critical level. He forecasts that eventually the Fed money-printing effects will wear off and the index will tumble to the 800 level.

"The important message now is to accept that, in my view, risk assets are in a bubble which of course can extend, but which can reverse sharply and suddenly," he said in a note Monday. "Up here, ‘valuation metrics’ are not going to help much"


As we know, markets remain irrational longer than they should - I would not bet against the S & P for here onwards for a little while - election, xmas rally etc etc

[Marf]

jeff m2 said:

You conveniently ommited the blood bit, no matter.

As per my post on the previous page which you conveniently omitted The ARC say despite being grateful for RMoneys actions, they want blood and cash, not sundries or food as they divert resources away from aid efforts


http://gma.yahoo.com/aid-organizations-prefer-cash...

article said:

Mitt Romney's hastily organized storm relief event in Ohio on Tuesday highlighted a difficult reality for aid organizations.
They'll take canned goods and supplies, but they'd much rather have cash.

The American Red Cross, contacted by ABC News, offered a statement encouraging individuals to donate blood or money, adding that they are grateful for the support from the Romney campaign, and their solicitations of financial donations on behalf of the Red Cross.

The Red Cross and other aid organizations like FEMA have long said that donations of food, clothing and other small in-kind items force them to divert crucial resources away from relief efforts and toward sorting and cleaning donations.

[unrepentant]

jeff m2 said:

unrepentant said:

jeff m2 said:

Are you paid ?

Shelters always ask for tinned goods.
What planet are you on.

From the Red Cross website;

Red Cross said:

unfortunately due to constraints the Red Cross does not accept or solicit individual items, collected food, used items or clothes must be repackaged, transports which impedes the valuable resources of money, time, and personnel. financial contributions allow the Red Cross to purchase exactly what’s needed for a disaster relief operation.

You conveniently ommited the blood bit, no matter.
The red cross provides cots and borrows buildings.
Do you mean you have never donated tinned goods to a shelter or seen pleas for tinned good for those in need or distress.

What sort of heartless place do you live in?
Living in a GOP town is not a valid reply

They asked for blood too. I was making the principle point that they specifically asked for people to donate cash not food.

We have regular food drives through Gleaners. I always chip in what I can afford, a few cans of cheap broth or whatever. I'm sure you donate your left over foie gras and beluga.

[jeff m2]

unrepentant said:

jeff m2 said:

unrepentant said:

jeff m2 said:

Are you paid ?

Shelters always ask for tinned goods.
What planet are you on.

From the Red Cross website;

Red Cross said:

unfortunately due to constraints the Red Cross does not accept or solicit individual items, collected food, used items or clothes must be repackaged, transports which impedes the valuable resources of money, time, and personnel. financial contributions allow the Red Cross to purchase exactly what’s needed for a disaster relief operation.

You conveniently ommited the blood bit, no matter.
The red cross provides cots and borrows buildings.
Do you mean you have never donated tinned goods to a shelter or seen pleas for tinned good for those in need or distress.

What sort of heartless place do you live in?
Living in a GOP town is not a valid reply

They asked for blood too. I was making the principle point that they specifically asked for people to donate cash not food.

We have regular food drives through Gleaners. I always chip in what I can afford, a few cans of cheap broth or whatever. I'm sure you donate your left over foie gras and beluga.

I wish

[longblackcoat]

Guam said:

If this is what an Obama victory is thought to look like then god help the Dems.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/31/in-deadlock...

When you drill down through the other polls and review out sampling Bias there is no way the Dems have this at this stage, I am sticking with Romney to take this one given what the numbers suggest.

If Mr O wins this one he should assume the mantle of the Come back Kid imho.
History is not on his side with the current numbers.

The polls taken in the last few days show movement towards Obama. The ABC News/Washington Post poll of the 30th has the two candidates tied on a national level (49% each) which would almost certainly mean an electoral college win for the Democrats, given the concentrations in certain states. Given the momentum that Obama has gained (or that Romney has lost) in the last few days, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get an overall majority now, something I would not have predicted a week ago.

If anyone is seriously confident of a Romney victory, see if you can work up an electoral college number for him. It's not hard to do, just do as I did and tot it up, state by state. I tried it, and couldn't see how Romney could get there, so long as there was no collapse in the Obama vote. Given that so such collapse has happened, nor that it looks likely, I reiterate my call of 340+ for the Democrats.




This is in no way an endorsement for the Democratic Party. Barack Obama has not approved this message. Your home may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments. Poll numbers may well go down as well as up

[jeff m2]

unrepentant said:

jeff m2 said:

Mermaid said:

Stock market performance favours Obama

But the economy doesn't, market is at a solid 13, but it is being fuelled.
QE 3 is different to 1 & 2 in that it is continuous. every month, not single hits like one and two.
That's 40 B a month into MBSs.

Ignore share prices if you want. Corporate PROFITS are at a record level.

If you look at all the indicators, icluding consumer spending on luxury goods, the economy is recovering.

Hard to ignore the market..... it will be boost for Obarma because 13,000 is easy to understand whereas the frantic buying of MBSs is not.
How many voters think a fiscal cliff is something you don't jump off

Corp profits are up, better to take them now than gamble on next years rates.
Ditto cap gains. Why gamble, set a new cost basis and don't rely on voters when it comes to do what is best for the economy.

Slight recent improvement in spending but not enough to boost hiring. Job numbers lag the economy by two years. Too little too late.

I think overall this will help Obama, it shouldn't but it will. I find it sad.

[unrepentant]

jeff m2 said:

Hard to ignore the market..... it will be boost for Obarma because 13,000 is easy to understand whereas the frantic buying of MBSs is not.
How many voters think a fiscal cliff is something you don't jump off

Corp profits are up, better to take them now than gamble on next years rates.
Ditto cap gains. Why gamble, set a new cost basis and don't rely on voters when it comes to do what is best for the economy.

Slight recent improvement in spending but not enough to boost hiring. Job numbers lag the economy by two years. Too little too late.

I think overall this will help Obama, it shouldn't but it will. I find it sad.

From where I sit all the indicators are good, including unemployment. It's still too high but it's moving in the right direction. Consumer spending is rising - you want an Audi A7 or a new Range Rover? Get your hand in your pocket, hand over a big deposit at MSRP and be prepared to wait a few months.

So tell me, it's Jan 2009 and President Jeff has just landed in the White House. The outgoing bloke has left you with an economy that is losing 800,000 jobs a month, a defecit of $1.3 trillion, $8 trillion of debt already projected for the next decade, 2 costly unbudgeted wars in full swing, a stock market in freefall and you are on the brink of the next great depression.

What are you going to do about it?

(I haven't even mentioned that you have 47 million citizens with no health coverage, your international reputation as a nation is at a pretty low ebb, you have serious racial and gender inequalities etc..)

[Art0ir]

unrepentant said:

Corporate PROFITS are at a record level.

That does nothing for the economy if the employees wages don't match them. Zero.

[unrepentant]

longblackcoat said:

The polls taken in the last few days show movement towards Obama. The ABC News/Washington Post poll of the 30th has the two candidates tied on a national level (49% each) which would almost certainly mean an electoral college win for the Democrats, given the concentrations in certain states. Given the momentum that Obama has gained (or that Romney has lost) in the last few days, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get an overall majority now, something I would not have predicted a week ago.

If anyone is seriously confident of a Romney victory, see if you can work up an electoral college number for him. It's not hard to do, just do as I did and tot it up, state by state. I tried it, and couldn't see how Romney could get there, so long as there was no collapse in the Obama vote. Given that so such collapse has happened, nor that it looks likely, I reiterate my call of 340+ for the Democrats.

This is in no way an endorsement for the Democratic Party. Barack Obama has not approved this message. Your home may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments. Poll numbers may well go down as well as up

Good analysis.

A quick look at the bookies tells you that a Romney victory is very unlikely. I'd be very happy with 340, I still think 284 - 309 is the most likely outcome.

[jeff m2]

unrepentant said:

jeff m2 said:

Hard to ignore the market..... it will be boost for Obarma because 13,000 is easy to understand whereas the frantic buying of MBSs is not.
How many voters think a fiscal cliff is something you don't jump off

Corp profits are up, better to take them now than gamble on next years rates.
Ditto cap gains. Why gamble, set a new cost basis and don't rely on voters when it comes to do what is best for the economy.

Slight recent improvement in spending but not enough to boost hiring. Job numbers lag the economy by two years. Too little too late.

I think overall this will help Obama, it shouldn't but it will. I find it sad.

From where I sit all the indicators are good, including unemployment. It's still too high but it's moving in the right direction. Consumer spending is rising - you want an Audi A7 or a new Range Rover? Get your hand in your pocket, hand over a big deposit at MSRP and be prepared to wait a few months.

So tell me, it's Jan 2009 and President Jeff has just landed in the White House. The outgoing bloke has left you with an economy that is losing 800,000 jobs a month, a defecit of $1.3 trillion, $8 trillion of debt already projected for the next decade, 2 costly unbudgeted wars in full swing, a stock market in freefall and you are on the brink of the next great depression.

What are you going to do about it?

We don't have the bandwidth for a reply to that.
But basically I would accept that the task infront of me was beyond my smarts, step aside and let a better person run for President. Something I believe Obama should have done.

Fours years ago was not the right time for Obama, he was not equipped for the job, he did his best.
And here we are.....

[unrepentant]

Art0ir said:

unrepentant said:

Corporate PROFITS are at a record level.

That does nothing for the economy if the employees wages don't match them. Zero.

I agree. Tell that to the Romney supporting CEO's that have been taking record pay increases for themselves while telling their employees that wage increases are off the table.

[unrepentant]

jeff m2 said:

unrepentant said:

jeff m2 said:

Hard to ignore the market..... it will be boost for Obarma because 13,000 is easy to understand whereas the frantic buying of MBSs is not.
How many voters think a fiscal cliff is something you don't jump off

Corp profits are up, better to take them now than gamble on next years rates.
Ditto cap gains. Why gamble, set a new cost basis and don't rely on voters when it comes to do what is best for the economy.

Slight recent improvement in spending but not enough to boost hiring. Job numbers lag the economy by two years. Too little too late.

I think overall this will help Obama, it shouldn't but it will. I find it sad.

From where I sit all the indicators are good, including unemployment. It's still too high but it's moving in the right direction. Consumer spending is rising - you want an Audi A7 or a new Range Rover? Get your hand in your pocket, hand over a big deposit at MSRP and be prepared to wait a few months.

So tell me, it's Jan 2009 and President Jeff has just landed in the White House. The outgoing bloke has left you with an economy that is losing 800,000 jobs a month, a defecit of $1.3 trillion, $8 trillion of debt already projected for the next decade, 2 costly unbudgeted wars in full swing, a stock market in freefall and you are on the brink of the next great depression.

What are you going to do about it?

We don't have the bandwidth for a reply to that.
But basically I would accept that the task infront of me was beyond my smarts, step aside and let a better person run for President. Something I believe Obama should have done.

Sorry Jeff, that's the typical answer. "The economy was fked, we have no clue what we would have done but we don't like what he did".

Obama has done a good job in very difficult circumstances and had McCain prevailed in 08 and followed the policies of cost slashing and program elimination we would truly be screwed now.

[longblackcoat]

unrepentant said:

Sorry Jeff, that's the typical answer. "The economy was fked, we have no clue what we would have done but we don't like what he did".

Obama has done a good job in very difficult circumstances and had McCain prevailed in 08 and followed the policies of cost slashing and program elimination we would truly be screwed now.

That said, I'd far prefer McCain to Romney. Not that I'd choose either, you understand, but I have a great deal more respect for John McCain, a decent man whose hand I could shake even if I opposed his position.