US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

Police had to throw two delegates out of the RNC after they threw nuts at an African American CNN camerawoman and said "this is how we feed animals".

Beggars belief. This is 2012, the GOP is living in 1876.

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/0...

A good bit like when the NAACP audience threw Oreo cookies at Micheal Steele, huh? Yes, both of those instances beggars belief.

[drivin_me_nuts]

unrepentant said:

Police had to throw two delegates out of the RNC after they threw nuts at an African American CNN camerawoman and said "this is how we feed animals".

Beggars belief. This is 2012, the GOP is living in 1876.

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/0...

This is an interesting story, in so far as the temptation to use it by the Democrat side must be huge... ignorance, racism, bigotry; so many different labels to choose from to point and affirm the belief that 'they' are nothing more than the white folk with the black servants. Use now, or save till later? Decisions, decisions.

[unrepentant]

Jimbeaux said:

A good bit like when the NAACP audience threw Oreo cookies at Micheal Steele, huh? Yes, both of those instances beggars belief.

The NAACP are not the democratic party. These people are delegates at the Republican National Convention, representatatives of a party that is anxious to deny that they are in any way racist............

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

Jimbeaux said:

A good bit like when the NAACP audience threw Oreo cookies at Micheal Steele, huh? Yes, both of those instances beggars belief.

The NAACP are not the democratic party. These people are delegates at the Republican National Convention, representatatives of a party that is anxious to deny that they are in any way racist............

The NAACP are registered members of the Democratic Party. A delegate is chosen and does not represent the whole party. Likewise, the NAACP does not represent the whole Democratic party. Your constant pulling of the race card is beyond tiresome.

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Jimbeaux said:

unrepentant said:

Jimbeaux said:

A good bit like when the NAACP audience threw Oreo cookies at Micheal Steele, huh? Yes, both of those instances beggars belief.

The NAACP are not the democratic party. These people are delegates at the Republican National Convention, representatatives of a party that is anxious to deny that they are in any way racist............

The NAACP are registered members of the Democratic Party. A delegate is chosen and does not represent the whole party. Likewise, the NAACP does not represent the whole Democratic party. Your constant pulling of the race card is beyond tiresome.

Apologies if I'm missing something.....what does the NAACP have to do with the Democratic Party?

I thought they were independent bodies?

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

unrepentant said:

Jimbeaux said:

A good bit like when the NAACP audience threw Oreo cookies at Micheal Steele, huh? Yes, both of those instances beggars belief.

The NAACP are not the democratic party. These people are delegates at the Republican National Convention, representatatives of a party that is anxious to deny that they are in any way racist............

The NAACP are registered members of the Democratic Party. A delegate is chosen and does not represent the whole party. Likewise, the NAACP does not represent the whole Democratic party. Your constant pulling of the race card is beyond tiresome.

Apologies if I'm missing something.....what does the NAACP have to do with the Democratic Party?

I thought they were independent bodies?

The Democratic party, like the GOP, are made up of people from all walks. The NAACP as an organization is not a member of the Dem party (no organization is); however, as individuals, they are.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 29th August 20:33

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Mad as a box of frogs

This man needs psychiatric help.

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Jimbeaux said:

The Democratic party, like the GOP, are made up of people and organizations. Members of the NAACP are also members of the Dem party as individuals, guaranteed.

There will be Eagle Scouts who are Democrats. It does not mean ALL Eagle Scours are democrats, no more than all NRA nutjobs are Republicans. I think it's a stretch to tar the Democrats with the actions of some members of the NAACP.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

The Democratic party, like the GOP, are made up of people and organizations. Members of the NAACP are also members of the Dem party as individuals, guaranteed.

There will be Eagle Scouts who are Democrats. It does not mean ALL Eagle Scours are democrats, no more than all NRA nutjobs are Republicans. I think it's a stretch to tar the Democrats with the actions of some members of the NAACP.

That is what I said earlier; I am no slinger of a broad brush. I was responding to Unrepentent who seems to think the actions of two idiots does paint the whole GOP as (get ready, his favorite moniker).....racists! As I keep saying, there are hardcore racists that are white and there are equally hardcore racists that are black; however, Unrepentent seems to think racism only goes one way.

[unrepentant]

I think there is a misconception abroad about democrats and republicans. I still think people in the UK have a skewed view of this because they make the mistake of comparing the Republicans with the tories. In fact the 2012 republicans are so out there on the right that they bear no relation to any UK party although some members would feel probably comfortable in the old NF.

I also think some people believe that democrats are all union members or welfare recipients with their hand out. They think that because they are being told that constantly by GOP commentators and politicians. As I have said before I am a conservative (British version). Apart from one EU election when I voted UKIP I voted tory my whole life in the UK. I'm a pretty regular PHer, I have a reasonably nice home that I own, I like my cars and my daily drive is a new Jag that I own, I'm solvent (not always a good thing in the US where the credit agencies regard you as suspect unless you have debt!), I like to dine out regularly and I like nice things. I earn a decent enough living and lead a pretty comfortable life. I believe in personal responsibility and financial discipline. I dislike "scroungers" but believe in helping those who can't help themselves whilst encouraging those that can work and provide from thelselves to do so. I believe in strong defence but would always be very wary of taking action in other people's back yards, especially unilateral action. I support a few charities that I care about, I could do more but then most of us could. I think I'm most (British) people's idea of a conservative.

Yet I see no appeal whatsoever in what the republicans have to offer and I believe that by US standards I am actually a pretty typical democrat. And I think a lot of British conservatives would feel the same way if they were to live on this side of the pond.

I'm not blinkered either, I disagree with some of what Obama has done. I didn't agree with the extension of the 99 week unemployment benefit program, I believe in the right to work and I felt that whilst he was right about the Keystone pipeline he handled it badly and it was a PR disaster because of that. He should have closed Gitmo as he promised and he was too willing to compromise over affordable healthcare with republicans who were prepared to oppose it come what may. But overall for the reasons I mentioned above and others I think he has done a good job in the circumstances and the alternative, to me, is very unpalatable.

[unrepentant]

Countdown said:

Mad as a box of frogs

This man needs psychiatric help.

Rush is just a moron. But he has a huge audience! Like I before, I urge people to listen to him and the brain dead listeners who call in. Today he's actually pissed off with the GOP because they have told speakers at the RNC that they are not allowed to mention his name.

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

I think there is a misconception abroad about democrats and republicans. I still think people in the UK have a skewed view of this because they make the mistake of comparing the Republicans with the tories. In fact the 2012 republicans are so out there on the right that they bear no relation to any UK party although some members would feel probably comfortable in the old NF.

I also think some people believe that democrats are all union members or welfare recipients with their hand out. They think that because they are being told that constantly by GOP commentators and politicians. As I have said before I am a conservative (British version). Apart from one EU election when I voted UKIP I voted tory my whole life in the UK. I'm a pretty regular PHer, I have a reasonably nice home that I own, I like my cars and my daily drive is a new Jag that I own, I'm solvent (not always a good thing in the US where the credit agencies regard you as suspect unless you have debt!), I like to dine out regularly and I like nice things. I earn a decent enough living and lead a pretty comfortable life. I believe in personal responsibility and financial discipline. I dislike "scroungers" but believe in helping those who can't help themselves whilst encouraging those that can work and provide from thelselves to do so. I believe in strong defence but would always be very wary of taking action in other people's back yards, especially unilateral action. I support a few charities that I care about, I could do more but then most of us could. I think I'm most (British) people's idea of a conservative.

Yet I see no appeal whatsoever in what the republicans have to offer and I believe that by US standards I am actually a pretty typical democrat. And I think a lot of British conservatives would feel the same way if they were to live on this side of the pond.

I'm not blinkered either, I disagree with some of what Obama has done. I didn't agree with the extension of the 99 week unemployment benefit program, I believe in the right to work and I felt that whilst he was right about the Keystone pipeline he handled it badly and it was a PR disaster because of that. He should have closed Gitmo as he promised and he was too willing to compromise over affordable healthcare with republicans who were prepared to oppose it come what may. But overall for the reasons I mentioned above and others I think he has done a good job in the circumstances and the alternative, to me, is very unpalatable.

Fair points and opinions. Many do not remember in the "old" days when the Dems and GOP were closer in all reality. Reagan and Tip O'neil could usually go sit down and work out what needed working out.

[FloppyRaccoon]

Obama was on Reddit a little while ago answering some questions. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_b...

[MadMullah]

Jimbeaux said:

Fair points and opinions. Many do not remember in the "old" days when the Dems and GOP were closer in all reality. Reagan and Tip O'neil could usually go sit down and work out what needed working out.

US politics in general has seen a shift to the right since the Reagan days.

This is partially due to the tea party but cannot be solely put it down due to that.

[Jimbeaux]

MadMullah said:

Jimbeaux said:

Fair points and opinions. Many do not remember in the "old" days when the Dems and GOP were closer in all reality. Reagan and Tip O'neil could usually go sit down and work out what needed working out.

US politics in general has seen a shift to the right since the Reagan days.

This is partially due to the tea party but cannot be solely put it down due to that.

No, it was trending that way before the Tea Party movement. It is like a pendulum; back and forth every few decades or so.

[davepoth]

Jimbeaux said:

No, it was trending that way before the Tea Party movement. It is like a pendulum; back and forth every few decades or so.

Backlash against hippies then?

[Jimbeaux]

davepoth said:

Jimbeaux said:

No, it was trending that way before the Tea Party movement. It is like a pendulum; back and forth every few decades or so.

Backlash against hippies then?

Seriously, you are correct IMO. The 80s return to conservatism seems to have started as a counter to the hippie movement that died out in the early 70s.

[unrepentant]

Leave it to Jon Stewart to expose Ryan's hypocricy.

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[turbobloke]

At the end of 2010 did Barack Obama not extend the tax cuts at all income levels through 2012 so they now expire in 2013? If so, and it appears to be, is that funny too?