US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread
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Jimbeaux said:
davepoth said:
So many threads to choose from on this.
I can't help thinking that Obama has spotted a PR opportunity with this hurricane. It's nice that he's paying attention I guess, but it's beginning to seem to me that he's using it as an opportunity to stick it to the GOP and steal a bit of their thunder during the convention.
Well of course he is; trust me, if the tables were turned, the GOP would do the same thing.I can't help thinking that Obama has spotted a PR opportunity with this hurricane. It's nice that he's paying attention I guess, but it's beginning to seem to me that he's using it as an opportunity to stick it to the GOP and steal a bit of their thunder during the convention.
GavinPearson said:
unrepentant said:
But in fairness Romney was a great asset stripper and exporter of American jobs.
Obama is hardly a job creator - unemployment is high and he has signed one sided trade agreements that will do far more damage than a smallish firm could ever do.unrepentant said:
More than 4.5 million private sector jobs added over the past 29 months.
The simple fact is though, Mr Obama said that he would reach 5.7% unemployment and it is currently at over 8%.Here is a WSJ article that explains that better:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527023035...
The question is, do the American people think that Obama's track record is sufficiently good enough to warrant letting him have a second term?
GavinPearson said:
The question is, do the American people think that Obama's track record is sufficiently good enough to warrant letting him have a second term?
If BHO himself thought his track record was any good, he'd be running on it. He doesn't have much to say on the subject though. (apart from "blame Bush" still, nearly 4 years into his presidency)Muntu said:
If BHO himself thought his track record was any good, he'd be running on it. He doesn't have much to say on the subject though. (apart from "blame Bush" still, nearly 4 years into his presidency)
Well, given that his tenure has been over a period of time when the global economy is just one large cluster f
k, I think many people will choose to give him the benefit of the doubt and so he will probably get in for the second term.The GOP will shoot itself in the foot and implode, largely because the lunatics on the fringes are allowed too much free reign and the GOP nominee does'nt have the cahunas to tell them to STFU. Romney won't distance himself from the nutters because his advisors tell him that focus groups don't like it. If he had the spine to stand up, stop flip flopping to try and appease opposing views at the same time, I think the core vote in the middle would respect him more. Ain't never gonna happen though.
toppstuff said:
Muntu said:
If BHO himself thought his track record was any good, he'd be running on it. He doesn't have much to say on the subject though. (apart from "blame Bush" still, nearly 4 years into his presidency)
Well, given that his tenure has been over a period of time when the global economy is just one large cluster fk, I think many people will choose to give him the benefit of the doubt and so he will probably get in for the second term.toppstuff said:
The GOP will shoot itself in the foot and implode, largely because the lunatics on the fringes are allowed too much free reign and the GOP nominee does'nt have the cahunas to tell them to STFU. Romney won't distance himself from the nutters because his advisors tell him that focus groups don't like it. If he had the spine to stand up, stop flip flopping to try and appease opposing views at the same time, I think the core vote in the middle would respect him more. Ain't never gonna happen though.
Personally I haven't seen too many nutters in the Republican ranks. One or two, granted. Not the pandemic of them you seem to insinuate in your post. I guess they balance some of the questionable people BHO associates himself with, currently, and in the past 
unrepentant said:
GavinPearson said:
unrepentant said:
But in fairness Romney was a great asset stripper and exporter of American jobs.
Obama is hardly a job creator - unemployment is high and he has signed one sided trade agreements that will do far more damage than a smallish firm could ever do.Muntu said:
GavinPearson said:
The question is, do the American people think that Obama's track record is sufficiently good enough to warrant letting him have a second term?
If BHO himself thought his track record was any good, he'd be running on it. He doesn't have much to say on the subject though. (apart from "blame Bush" still, nearly 4 years into his presidency)dandarez said:
Just listened to Ann Romney's speech. Perhaps she should have stood instead of Mitt? Probably have stood a better chance. 
Bet Hillary would have waded in on her like there was no tomorrow.
When will the US get its first woman President I wonder?
let's hope it is Liz Cheney rather than Cliton Bet Hillary would have waded in on her like there was no tomorrow.
When will the US get its first woman President I wonder?
dandarez said:
Just listened to Ann Romney's speech. Perhaps she should have stood instead of Mitt? Probably have stood a better chance.
Bet Hillary would have waded in on her like there was no tomorrow.
When will the US get its first woman President I wonder?
Well rumour has it that Hillary is thinking of standing in 2016. Could be her against Sarah Palin. Bet Hillary would have waded in on her like there was no tomorrow.
When will the US get its first woman President I wonder?
Obama is absolutely running on his record, as he should because it's a good one.
This President inherited the worst economy since the great depression. Every world leader who was elected after 9/08 has struggled with the economy. Look at the UK! The USA is pretty much the only major developed country that has not been in recession for the past 4 years and that is because he chose to stimulate the economy rather than adopt the austerity programmes that have failed in Europe. Had he followed the austerity programmes touted by the right and cut deeply (whilst retaining the tax breaks for big oil and the 1% of course) we would be in far worse shape. We have had 29 succesive months of private sector job growth, reversing the position under Bush. He's cut taxes 18 times for small businesses and streamlined the patent process making it easier for entrepeneurs to protect their ideas. 95% of working familes have had a tax cut and he extended the payroll tax cut for everyone resulting in an extra $1000 in the pocket of middle class workers. (Romney would increase taxes for all but the very richest who would get a massive tax cut). We're not in Iraq and we're coming out of Afghanistan, peace dividend to follow. Osama Bin Laden is dead. We have the prospect of affordable healthcare for all Americans for the first time in history thanks to this President. American oil production is at an 8 year high, reducing the reliance on foreign oil, in fact I believe that the USA is a net exporter of petroleum products. He has doubled the amount of money for scholarships to ensure that poor and middle class kids have access to the best education. Etc.. etc....
This President inherited the worst economy since the great depression. Every world leader who was elected after 9/08 has struggled with the economy. Look at the UK! The USA is pretty much the only major developed country that has not been in recession for the past 4 years and that is because he chose to stimulate the economy rather than adopt the austerity programmes that have failed in Europe. Had he followed the austerity programmes touted by the right and cut deeply (whilst retaining the tax breaks for big oil and the 1% of course) we would be in far worse shape. We have had 29 succesive months of private sector job growth, reversing the position under Bush. He's cut taxes 18 times for small businesses and streamlined the patent process making it easier for entrepeneurs to protect their ideas. 95% of working familes have had a tax cut and he extended the payroll tax cut for everyone resulting in an extra $1000 in the pocket of middle class workers. (Romney would increase taxes for all but the very richest who would get a massive tax cut). We're not in Iraq and we're coming out of Afghanistan, peace dividend to follow. Osama Bin Laden is dead. We have the prospect of affordable healthcare for all Americans for the first time in history thanks to this President. American oil production is at an 8 year high, reducing the reliance on foreign oil, in fact I believe that the USA is a net exporter of petroleum products. He has doubled the amount of money for scholarships to ensure that poor and middle class kids have access to the best education. Etc.. etc....
Muntu said:
dandarez said:
Just listened to Ann Romney's speech. Perhaps she should have stood instead of Mitt? Probably have stood a better chance.
Bet Hillary would have waded in on her like there was no tomorrow.
When will the US get its first woman President I wonder?
let's hope it is Liz Cheney rather than Cliton Bet Hillary would have waded in on her like there was no tomorrow.
When will the US get its first woman President I wonder?
Jimbeaux said:
Yes, that is anemic by standard. Unemployment remains at historic highs; not good enough by far.
Unemployment is high globally, it's not solely a US issue.. Even China is now suffering a slowdown. It's stupid blaming Obama for this. Indeed perhaps he should be given credit for bringing unemployment down despite the current economic situation.Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
Obama is absolutely running on his record, as he should because it's a good one.
I quoted facts, Obama has a good record. If you disagree quote facts and links, not your usual vacuous snidey innuendo and insinuation. Try and debate like an adult for a change.
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