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US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

US Elections 2012 Obama v Romney Official Thread

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unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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Romney officially becomes the GOP candidate this week so the game is officially on. What are the real issues and how will it turn out? And do we even care?

For my money it's an important election with big issues at stake and real differences between the protagonists.

unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

speedy_thrills

6,406 posts

148 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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Is this even really a contest? If you think so Mitt Romney is returning 2.88 (to Obamas 1.4).

RDMcG

10,085 posts

112 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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Romney will win. He has $175 million unspent and that's before the convention. Not a pleasant prospect. The supreme court will go even more right wing with the next appointment.

unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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RDMcG said:
Romney will win. He has $175 million unspent and that's before the convention. Not a pleasant prospect. The supreme court will go even more right wing with the next appointment.
Obama also has a war chest, and he raised over $150 million in October alone in 2008.
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martin84

5,366 posts

58 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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Polls generally mean very little this far out, or it tends to in this country at least. Polls also return the results their viewership favour, hence why Fox (right wing news organisation) has Romney ahead where as the LA Times for instance has a lead for Obama.

I think the election will be tight, very tight, but I think Obama will win.

davepoth

25,701 posts

104 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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RON PAUL 2012!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEmDu1AYA4o

Live stream from the USF Sun Dome.

rohrl

7,835 posts

50 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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As things stand I think Obama will retain the presidency. The Republicans will persist with the anti-abortion, anti-gay rights stuff. Romney isn't personable and he's been evasive about his tax affairs.

unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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rohrl said:
As things stand I think Obama will retain the presidency. The Republicans will persist with the anti-abortion, anti-gay rights stuff. Romney isn't personable and he's been evasive about his tax affairs.
Romney has the classic problem of a (reasonably) moderate republican who wants to be President. To get the nomination he basically had to flip on a lot of issues to the point where he's lost credability with the wider electorate. Even then his own party still distrusts him and so he has to lurch even further right and pick a running mate from the extreme wing to try and appease the base. For Romney / Ryan read McCain / Palin and I fancy the result will be the same.

Countdown

13,453 posts

101 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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martin84 said:
Polls generally mean very little this far out, or it tends to in this country at least. Polls also return the results their viewership favour, hence why Fox (right wing news organisation) has Romney ahead where as the LA Times for instance has a lead for Obama.

I think the election will be tight, very tight, but I think Obama will win.
Agreed very tight. But I think Romney will win because Obama will be blamed for the crap he inherited from the Texan Chimp.

unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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Interesting and perhaps surprising results from the Financial Times / Economist Global Business Barometer last week.

You would expect business to be backing Romney. In fact they are very lukewarm towards him. Twice as many business executives worldwide thought that a victory for Obama would be better for the global economy. When the poll was narrowed to US businessmen Romney did better but even here more respondents said that the economy would be better served by the re-epection of the President than by the election of Romney.



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fc327a52-e7ac-11e1-8686-...

davepoth

25,701 posts

104 months

Sunday 26th August 2012
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Former Republican governor of Florida Charlie Crist has today endorsed Obama. That is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/article124...

unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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davepoth said:
Former Republican governor of Florida Charlie Crist has today endorsed Obama. That is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/article124...
How times change. Just 4 years and Crist was the one endorsement that all the GOP primary candidates needed and vied for. In the end he endorsed McCain.

Captain Cadillac

2,929 posts

92 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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To be fair I wouldn't exactly call Crist a conservative. If we're being honest he's now an independent.

davepoth

25,701 posts

104 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Captain Cadillac said:
To be fair I wouldn't exactly call Crist a conservative. If we're being honest he's now an independent.
True enough. But it does speak to how far the political discussion has shifted to the right that the most important Republican governor of four years ago is now a democratic leaning independent, without having made any obvious changes to any of his political views.

Countdown

13,453 posts

101 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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The emergency of the Tea Party has dragged the GOP to the Right. That's why he's now seen as a lefty.

unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Latest issue of Time Magazine has a very good profile of Romney, lots of interesting stuff, especially about Bain....


davepoth

25,701 posts

104 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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Countdown said:
The emergency of the Tea Party has dragged the GOP to the Right. That's why he's now seen as a lefty.
Absolutely. The Republican party sat a lot closer to the middle on social issues even five years ago; liberal still meant "do what you want" rather than being some kind of conservative swear-word. I don't think they're going to be successful in avoiding talking about social issues in this campaign, and that will hit them hard.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

160 months

Monday 27th August 2012
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davepoth said:
Absolutely. The Republican party sat a lot closer to the middle on social issues even five years ago; liberal still meant "do what you want" rather than being some kind of conservative swear-word. I don't think they're going to be successful in avoiding talking about social issues in this campaign, and that will hit them hard.
There was a really good scene in the West Wing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFp7WG9J-E

unrepentant

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17,253 posts

161 months

Tuesday 28th August 2012
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davepoth said:
RON PAUL 2012!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEmDu1AYA4o

Live stream from the USF Sun Dome.
Ron can't speak at the RNC as he refused to accept the terms imposed. Those were let Romney's people vet his speech! and agree to endorse Romney. He refused on both counts. The only true conviction politician left in the GOP?

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-elect...