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Waspy1
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45 months
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Gazzas86 said: My dad is a PO and speaks to Bronson on a daily basis, he says he's a nutter, gets camo'd up in boot polish now and then, other prisoners try to keep clear from him etc, My dad also says he's a unit and holds some record for press ups and vertical press ups. When you say 'nutter' does your father think he just acts up or does he think he's insane? Top man points to your dad by the way 
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Waspy1
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45 months
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Lost_BMW said: Could be because he's a self-obsessed, self serving, self publicising (often in a somewhat, erm... extreme, bad way) anti social, psychotic, dangerous, robbing, scum bag criminal. Maybe?
May he rot in Hell (or HMP Equivalent) He may be all those things but so are many others...and worse. But normally, unless you are Ian Brady etc. you get released one day. Why is he the only non-serial killer who has to rot in hell?
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Guam
15,379 posts
137 months
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Waspy1 said: He may be all those things but so are many others...and worse.
But normally, unless you are Ian Brady etc. you get released one day.
Why is he the only non-serial killer who has to rot in hell? Perhaps because the Shrinks think he would be a danger to the community? frankly on that call I would think their judgement has more weight than an internet get me out canpaign. Perhaps its just me?
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XCP
10,488 posts
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I prefer to trust the Parole Board. He doesn't sound like someone who is a reformed character to me.
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Guam
15,379 posts
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XCP said: I prefer to trust the Parole Board. He doesn't sound like someone who is a reformed character to me. Hard to argue  Some of his exploits I found on the web  Some Of Charles Bronson's more notable incidents are as follows: In 1983, Bronson took hostages and staged a 47-hour rooftop protest at Broadmoor, causing £750,000 of damage. In 1994, while holding a guard hostage at Woodhill Prison, Milton Keynes, he demanded an inflatable doll, a helicopter and a cup of tea as ransom. Two months later, he held deputy governor Adrian Wallace hostage for five hours at Hull prison, injuring him so badly he was off work for five weeks. In 1998, Bronson took two Iraqi hijackers and another inmate hostage at Belmarsh prison in London. He insisted his hostages address him as "General" and told negotiators he would eat one of his victims quickly unless his demands were met. At one stage, Bronson demanded one of the Iraqis hit him "very hard" over the head with a metal tray. When the hostage refused, Bronson slashed his own shoulder six times with a razor blade. He later told staff: "I'm going to start snapping necks – I'm the number-one hostage taker." He demanded a plane to take him to Cuba, two Uzi sub-machine guns, 5,000 rounds of ammunition, and an axe. In court, he said he was "as guilty as Adolf Hitler", adding, "I was on a mission of madness, but now I'm on a mission of peace and all I want to do now is go home and have a pint with my son." Another seven years were added to his sentence. In 1999, he took Phil Danielson, a civilian education officer, hostage at Hull prison. He can be seen in CCTV footage singing the song "Yellow Submarine", walking around with a makeshift spear (after having caused havoc inside the prison) and causing the wing to be locked up for over 40 hours. In 2007, two prison staff members at Full Sutton high security prison in the East Riding of Yorkshire were involved in a "control and restraint incident", in an attempt to prevent another hostage situation, during which Bronson (who by now needed spectacles) had his glasses broken. Bronson received £200 compensation for his broken glasses, which he claimed were made of "pre-war gold" and given to him by Lord Longford. Charles Bronson is also guilty of a large number of crimes outwith hostage-taking - his convictions have had the following: armed robbery, wounding with intent, wounding, criminal damage, grievous bodily harm, false imprisonment, blackmail and threatening to kill. Despite this Charles Bronson has managed to publish a number of books detailing his experiences as a prisoner as well as a number of keep-fit books, being a self-described fitness fanatic Yep this guy plays well with others and clearly respects authority!
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rohrl
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14 months
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In 1999 he took a prison teacher hostage over some petty grievance. He held the guy, a perfectly inoffensive chap who had made a comment which Bronson had interpreted as an insult to his cartoon artwork, at fear of his life for 44 hours. I saw an interview with the guy on TV and it was obvious that the experience had a severe and ongoing effect on him. That's what got Bronson a discretionary life sentence and rightly so.
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Derek Smith
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scenario8 said: Derek Smith said: My experience is that the older people get the more they remain the same. Are you speaking from the position of an ageing man there, Derek?  How did the house move go? All in it seems you had not such an awful or lengthy Sale/Purchase experience, btw. 30 years in the job dealing with all ages has proved to me that the good guys stay good and the aresholes are a  holes all their lives. I thought I was becoming a grumpy old man in my old age but my wife reckons that I'm the same as always. Not sure whether this is reassuring or not. The house move went OK. Thanks for asking. Our purchasers turned out to be second hand car dealers, trying to save money everywhere. In the end I had to approach the person I was buying from and we split the lower costs between us. I know we downsized but the one thing which came as a surprise is now much smaller our new place is. We had two 18' x 16' bedrooms and the smallest (my office) was 11' square. The second bedroom in our new place is a fraction bigger than our old smallest. We had a large kitchen and we extended it. The new kitchen is smallish. Where does everything go? I threw away so much at the tip that the blokes who worked there used to wave as I came in. Two more visits and I've have got my own parking place. I moved into the new place on Thursday and have already gone to the new tip twice. We took so much. Thank god one couple turned down our offer on their two-bed place. We've got a 3-bed but even so it's tight. But we're pleased with the move. The new location is great and the neighbours quite pleasant. There's a sweet old biddy next door. And on top of that I pick up my SLK 350 on Weds. I had to get rid of my TVR 'cause I've got a bad back and need an auto. I was gutted but I really like the SLK. Also it is cheaper to insure. I know it's childish but the roof is really cool. When you switch off the ignition the steering wheel rises and the seat moves back. The door mirrors fold up as well. It seems to sort of shake itself. So according to the estate agent ours was a really straightforward sale. We had first-time buyers (him an airline pilot, she a vet, both around 30 or so - you could hate them so easily) and moved into an empty place. No problems, But even so, it was stressful. And then today, I was up in the loft, turned quicky near the access point and caught a nail nead on the forehead just about my eyes. I'll post a picture if you want. I was nearly out. Lots of blood. What a stupid place to put a nail.
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Waspy1
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45 months
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I agree, it's hard to defend him.
I still say he is not in the same bracket as Fred West, Ian Huntley, Myra Hindley etc.
It could be argued that if you commit the most horrendous crimes (but not as horrendous as those mentioned above) like Thompson and Venebales (and many others) but behave yourself in prison and pretend to show remorse, they will let you out eventually.
As it stands, I guess he will die in prison.
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mattley
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91 months
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XCP said: Gazzas86 said: My dad also says he's a unit and holds some record for press ups and vertical press ups. 'he's a unit'. What does that mean? Read the rest of the sentence and guess. Unit > Powerfully built > Red Bull Can.
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XCP
10,488 posts
97 months
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mattley said: Read the rest of the sentence and guess.
Unit > Powerfully built > Red Bull Can. Nope. You've got me there. Is 'unit' a euphemism ? I'm not trying to be awkward 
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rpguk
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From what I know of him, he seems a fascinating man. Intelligent, driven and insightful. However he also seems to lack the ability to control his anger. Combined with his size this is a very dangerous combination.
It's as simple as that really IMHO. The fact he's never killed anyone is a red herring, it's the culmination of his many smaller crimes that have put him away for so long.
Sadly, he illustrates quite well that not all criminals are the stupid one dimensional characters that we'd like to think. This makes it so frustrating that rather then contributing to society he takes up so many resources.
As an aside I've got a wonderful biro drawing of his and he is really quite talented.
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StuartGGray
6,329 posts
97 months
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He's an a  hole who has done enough a  hole things to keep him inside. If anyone wants him released, fine, just be the one who cuddles into him every night.
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rohrl
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XCP said: mattley said: Read the rest of the sentence and guess.
Unit > Powerfully built > Red Bull Can. Nope. You've got me there. Is 'unit' a euphemism ? I'm not trying to be awkward  Unit is a neologism meaning big and very strong man. E.g. - "f  k me Enrico, have you seen those South American prison gang fighting vids on Youtube? Some tasty b  ds they are. That 6'6 Brazilian geezer with no ears and the tattoos all up his face is a real unit. He can bench press four times his own weight and he's beaten six men to death in the last two years." - "Yes your holiness. Is there anything else I can get you?" See also double-hard b d; brick s thouse, built like a
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EDLT
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XCP said: mattley said: Read the rest of the sentence and guess.
Unit > Powerfully built > Red Bull Can. Nope. You've got me there. Is 'unit' a euphemism ? I'm not trying to be awkward  It comes from the phrase "big unit" meaning large (as in muscular, not just fat) person. If Bronson should be out of prison because he never killed anyone does that mean that, in the OP's opinion, only murderers should be locked up?
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Digger
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XCP said: 'he's a unit'. What does that mean? Let's just say all he is lacking is a Directorship . . . & possibly a few marbles.
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Waspy1
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45 months
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EDLT said: If Bronson should be out of prison because he never killed anyone does that mean that, in the OP's opinion, only murderers should be locked up? Very good point, I guess not.
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Murph7355
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125 months
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Waspy1 said: I agree, it's hard to defend him.
I still say he is not in the same bracket as Fred West, Ian Huntley, Myra Hindley etc.
It could be argued that if you commit the most horrendous crimes (but not as horrendous as those mentioned above) like Thompson and Venebales (and many others) but behave yourself in prison and pretend to show remorse, they will let you out eventually.
As it stands, I guess he will die in prison.
Out of interest, why are you bothered enough about his self inflicted plight to start a thread on him? If, as you say, it's straightforward enough to play the remorse card and get out....if Bronson wanted out and wasn't a complete whacko, wouldn't it be easy for him to play the card? Can't see me ever getting worked up about people like this. Far more important things to worry about (the victims of crimes for a start).
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Waspy1
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Murph7355 said: Out of interest, why are you bothered enough about his self inflicted plight to start a thread on him? I just thought I'd start a debate, just conversation really. I don't know him nor really care about him, I just think his is an unusual case. Murph7355 said: If, as you say, it's straightforward enough to play the remorse card and get out....if Bronson wanted out and wasn't a complete whacko, wouldn't it be easy for him to play the card? It would, but for some reason he won't. It makes you think the government will let anyone out so long as they play their game. Murph7355 said: Can't see me ever getting worked up about people like this. Far more important things to worry about (the victims of crimes for a start). Agreed.
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XCP
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97 months
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rohrl said: Unit is a neologism meaning big and very strong man. E.g. - "f  k me Enrico, have you seen those South American prison gang fighting vids on Youtube? Some tasty b  ds they are. That 6'6 Brazilian geezer with no ears and the tattoos all up his face is a real unit. He can bench press four times his own weight and he's beaten six men to death in the last two years." - "Yes your holiness. Is there anything else I can get you?" See also double-hard b d; brick s thouse, built like aThanks. It's not an expression I've ever heard before. And I know some very big and strong men 
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AJS-
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105 months
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Because he's nuts. Though according to current thinking he is actually committing more crimes and more dangerous to the public than he would be if we let him out.
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