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IroningMan
5,761 posts
115 months
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Guam said: No detecting needed, simply was the four year old there all that time or not? If so then its a major cockup of the first order! Apparently she was - Les Flics were alerted to her existance by the family's neighbours at the campsite, having sealed-off the scene to await the specialist CSIs, according to the BBC.
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Dan_1981
9,553 posts
68 months
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Cyclist has to either Unfortunate passerby / witness or intended target? If intended target why the degree of brutality towards the family, who if they were not the target, have to be the innocent passersbys. If the reports about the child being beaten aswell are correct you have to suspect they were the targets? Murder suicide doesn't stack up, surely if it was the father he'd finish the kids / family off with a minimum of fuss, gets interrupted by cyclist so offs him as well before doing himself. No reason why he'd leave the four year old, and no reason to beat his oldest child. The family being the target sadly makes the most sense to me. The whole thing reads like something out of a cheapo paperback thriller. - settles back into armchair*
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tonker
43,765 posts
117 months
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Turning into DS Roach and Tosh Lines, was this a 7 seater X5 - with what has been released, was there a front seat passenger - two women and children in the back, one man in front.... was there another bloke in the front... where is he ?
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Torquey
1,039 posts
97 months
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tonker said: Turning into DS Roach and Tosh Lines, was this a 7 seater X5 - with what has been released, was there a front seat passenger - two women and children in the back, one man in front.... was there another bloke in the front... where is he ? http://news.sky.com/story/981634/mystery-surrounds-alps-shooting I read something on Sky news querying why/if the front seat was empty but surely: father - drivers seat 8 year old daughter passenger seat?? mother + Grandma + 4 Year old in the back. Have I misunderstood this?
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tonker
43,765 posts
117 months
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technically illegal to have 8 year old in front seat in France, even with a booster - though of course, we don't know whether they were parked up.
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S10GTA
2,485 posts
36 months
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Daily Mail said: The ferocity of the attack – and the apparent attempt to leave no witnesses – suggested it may have been the work of a professional assassin An interesting theory?
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Rude-boy
15,509 posts
102 months
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I have no idea about what happened or why. One question that is in my head though is if the family were the intended victims then why was the 4 year old left untouched? The attacker would surely have known about her if they were in the car or the family were the targets. The only scenario I can see in which her presence was unknown is if it was a robbery gone bad by persons unknown. Bike rider witnessed and so was removed from the equation.
Honestly though I have no idea.
Final thought though was, given that there is no mention of anyone else being anything other than shot, did the older child get shot, was only wounded, and try to run away at the last minute. Crim(s) then attempting to run her over as she ran away.
Horrible incident though, whatever the story behind it.
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Guam
15,252 posts
137 months
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S10GTA said: An interesting theory? Initially reports were saying shotgun, now they are saying Automatic weapon, whether that is more suggestive of a proffessional hit or not who knows?
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Dan_1981
9,553 posts
68 months
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Father has been named.
London man: Saad al Hilli.
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V8A*ndy
1,706 posts
60 months
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Horrible just horrible. Does look like a "hit" though. It will be interesting to find out what weapon/s used. Couldn't imagine what it would be like to have been first responder to that scene. This story really is shocking. Poor kids  .
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JensenA
4,998 posts
99 months
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Guam said: No detecting needed, simply was the four year old there all that time or not? If so then its a major cockup of the first order! What a ridiculous comment ffs! - No she sneaked back in while the cops weren't looking, and hid underneath 2 dead adults, then stayed motionless for 8 hours just for a laugh. The cops aren't stupid, stop presuming they are. There are dead bodies in a car, people that have been shot dead don't look like the bodies in we see in TV Dramas. They would be 'obviously' dead. This poor little girl had obviously been protected by the 2 adults, who had pushed her underneath/behind them, there last words to her would have been "Don't move sweetheart, whatever you do don't move" BANG BANG - it is fckin tragic, that poor little girl, awful.
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Steve Zodiac
314 posts
12 months
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It's a Tarantino'esque scenario.
At least one perp with a gun and probably not a shotgun owing to the amount of Ammo expended unless an AA-12.
What's he doing up there in the first place, it's remote, someone may or may not come along if it's robbery that was intended, possibly he/they followed the 4X4 up there?
Not very proffesional to kill a family & a passer by for little more than a mugging/carjack though.
In the 'Day of The Jackal' Mr Gunman went off to the wwods to sight his weapon & practice..so maybe this and he got disturbed..
Perhaps a terrorist cell having a bit of a training day in the woods, excitable Mustafa gets trigger happy? No theory seems too remote a possibility after these tragic murders.
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Steve Zodiac
314 posts
12 months
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Dan_1981 said: Father has been named.
London man: Saad al Hilli. It'll be the Israelis/Mossad then
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Guam
15,252 posts
137 months
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JensenA said: What a ridiculous comment ffs! - No she sneaked back in while the cops weren't looking, and hid underneath 2 dead adults, then stayed motionless for 8 hours just for a laugh.
The cops aren't stupid, stop presuming they are. There are dead bodies in a car, people that have been shot dead don't look like the bodies in we see in TV Dramas. They would be 'obviously' dead. This poor little girl had obviously been protected by the 2 adults, who had pushed her underneath/behind them, there last words to her would have been "Don't move sweetheart, whatever you do don't move" BANG BANG - it is fckin tragic, that poor little girl, awful. Steady on Dobbin, we are both entitled to our opinions, I assume that arriving on the scene the frist thing to do would be to check vitals of those involved. I fail to see how a thourough examination of the vehicle would have missed a four year old. To my mind therefore it seems like a cock up <I dont seem alone in that> this degree of response is well over the top imho!
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JensenA
4,998 posts
99 months
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tonker said: technically illegal to have 8 year old in front seat in France, even with a booster - though of course, we don't know whether they were parked up. this must be top of the list of "Most useless, waste of time, crass, idiotic posts "... EVER !!
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Dan_1981
9,553 posts
68 months
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Vehicle not examined fully due to glass being riddled with bullet holes, fear that if the vehicle was disturbed the glass would shatter and fall into the vehicle - further disturbing the crime scene.
The must have been pretty obviously dead.
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Guam
15,252 posts
137 months
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Dan_1981 said: Vehicle not examined fully due to glass being riddled with bullet holes, fear that if the vehicle was disturbed the glass would shatter and fall into the vehicle - further disturbing the crime scene.
The must have been pretty obviously dead. So nobody checks for a pulse then just stand back and assume they are dead?
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y2blade
46,210 posts
84 months
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Puggit said: Mail are reporting 8 year old has died overnight but that a 4 year old was discovered, physically unharmed, cowering under the adult bodies, too terrified to move Edited to add: BBC are reporting the French authorities have issued a correction and the 8 year old is still fighting for her life f  king hell.
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tonker
43,765 posts
117 months
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JensenA said: this must be top of the list of "Most useless, waste of time, crass, idiotic posts "... EVER !! Not really, and I did qualify it with "technically", but I don't break laws like that - especially not when abroad, where the police like pulling in English cars for fun. It was intended as a snippet towards my earlier comment. But, you're right, so go on, tell us why it was a drugs deal from a London gangboss using his family holiday as cover to do a massive deal with some Moroccans and why the pigs they usually use to dispose of the bodies had indigestion yesterday....
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JensenA
4,998 posts
99 months
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Guam said: So nobody checks for a pulse then just stand back and assume they are dead? You just don't get it do you? they were 'obviously' dead, but perhaps the cops did reach in and check the pulse, we don't know. The point is, is that underneath these 2 dead bodies was a terrified 4 year old little girl trying desparately to hide, and remaining motionless in fear of her life. Now do you understand? Or will you still cling to your 'It's a cock up' theory?
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