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chris watton
12,349 posts
129 months
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Pixelpeep said: Prime example.
Single mother, not worked in 8 years. lived in a 1 bed private rent flat (paid for by housing benefit) In Dagenham, Essex.
her rent is an extortionate £1200 per month so her outgoings should she return to work would be (there are other things not listed but to give an example)
£1200 rent
£400 childcare
£100 council tax
£200 monthly travel card
so a girl with no qualifications and hadn't worked for 8 years would need to land a job where she takes home (after tax) £1900 a month before she can break even.
No wonder she's still on benefit.
makes me sick to think of all these private landlords that are making thousands off the government because they sold off all their council houses and have spunked the money before they paid for any new ones to be built.. That is crazy! One of my best friends lives in a council house, a 2 bed semi, and they (he and his wife - both working and no benefits) pay around £280 per month rent. How can £1200 per month ever be justified, and for a flat, too!
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gjc10212
230 posts
75 months
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chris watton said: That is crazy! One of my best friends lives in a council house, a 2 bed semi, and they (he and his wife - both working and no benefits) pay around £280 per month rent. How can £1200 per month ever be justified, and for a flat, too! That is a fairly standard set of figures for London.
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rover 623gsi
1,946 posts
30 months
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chris watton said: That is crazy! One of my best friends lives in a council house, a 2 bed semi, and they (he and his wife - both working and no benefits) pay around £280 per month rent. How can £1200 per month ever be justified, and for a flat, too! probably because it's private rent - and the Tories (and Labour before them) would rather give money to private landlords than use the same amount of money to build new homes.
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TEKNOPUG
7,465 posts
74 months
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Pixelpeep said: Prime example.
Single mother, not worked in 8 years. lived in a 1 bed private rent flat (paid for by housing benefit) In Dagenham, Essex.
her rent is an extortionate £1200 per month so her outgoings should she return to work would be (there are other things not listed but to give an example)
£1200 rent
£400 childcare
£100 council tax
£200 monthly travel card
so a girl with no qualifications and hadn't worked for 8 years would need to land a job where she takes home (after tax) £1900 a month before she can break even.
No wonder she's still on benefit.
makes me sick to think of all these private landlords that are making thousands off the government because they sold off all their council houses and have spunked the money before they paid for any new ones to be built.. £1200 a month for a flat in Dagenham  It's only £1200 because the DHSS are paying it. If was a private rental, it would be half that. A quick google would suggest that it's impossible to pay £1200 for a one bed flat in Dagenham.
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BoRED S2upid
9,446 posts
109 months
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How many hours a week on minimum wage is £12,000?
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Mr_B
4,719 posts
112 months
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If he resigned, how is he getting any benefits ?
Also, what job and how many hours for 12K a year ?
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Kateg28
720 posts
32 months
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My OH has just had this problem and I nearly posted on here about it as I found it so frustrating.
He owns a fish and chip shop and one of the employees has had to ask him to reduce their hours by two as they were about to lose their benefits (single parent, 4 children). They would have lost the free school meals (amongst other things) which cost more than this person would earn in those two hours.
Cannot pay more as they are on a very fair (top average) for the job, the same as all others in the shop at that grade, so pay this person more to make up the shortfall and everyone else will demand the same increase.
What a ridiculous situation where someone has to reduce their earnings as it will cost them money. At least have some incentive to work.
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Squiggs
446 posts
24 months
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Keyser Soze said: So I know everyone (myself included) slags off people who sit on benefits not trying to get a job
So here is another side to the story
We recently employed a young lad, on 12k a year, he lives with his missus and they have a young child, they were both on benefits
Young man didn't want to be on benefits so came and got a job and proceeded to work very hard
He has just resigned as he could no longer afford to work for us, essentially as well as losing his benefits, due to having a working partner his missus also lost hers, this meant a 4k drop for them per annum, he just couldn't cope
So well done government, a young tried to escape the benefits trap and he has been plunged right back into it Is this not part of the problem? I know it happens - but when 'youngsters' live together and have a child before they can afford to live together and have a child isn't that just the start of the slippery slope? If the youngster had got a job first then started living with his missis and then had a child maybe he'd now find himself in a better position. I do sympathise with him, wanting to be able able to provide for his family but not being able to 'afford' to get a job - but he should have ensured he could provide before starting his family .... or am I just old fashioned?
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rover 623gsi
1,946 posts
30 months
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BoRED S2upid said: How many hours a week on minimum wage is £12,000? NMW is currently £6.08 for over 21 yrs olds - so £12k is equal to 38 hrs a week at that rate
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prand
2,581 posts
65 months
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Pixelpeep said: Prime example.
Single mother, not worked in 8 years. lived in a 1 bed private rent flat (paid for by housing benefit) In Dagenham, Essex.
her rent is an extortionate £1200 per month so her outgoings should she return to work would be (there are other things not listed but to give an example)
£1200 rent
£400 childcare
£100 council tax
£200 monthly travel card
so a girl with no qualifications and hadn't worked for 8 years would need to land a job where she takes home (after tax) £1900 a month before she can break even.
No wonder she's still on benefit.
makes me sick to think of all these private landlords that are making thousands off the government because they sold off all their council houses and have spunked the money before they paid for any new ones to be built.. £1200 per month? She should move.
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chris watton
12,349 posts
129 months
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BoRED S2upid said: How many hours a week on minimum wage is £12,000? A lot, after tax and NI! I know that here in Gloucester, you can rent a 3-bed semi or terraced town house for around £5-650 per month privately. (this type of house usually sells for around the £140k mark, though - London and surrounding area seem to be on a different property planet).
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BoRED S2upid
9,446 posts
109 months
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rover 623gsi said: BoRED S2upid said: How many hours a week on minimum wage is £12,000? NMW is currently £6.08 for over 21 yrs olds - so £12k is equal to 38 hrs a week at that rate So he could have a second job 50 - 60 hours a week for example.
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tonker
43,817 posts
117 months
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prand said: £1200 per month? She should move. I think we can surmise that for many of these tenants, a deal is doe to share the 'milking' of the benefits, so she'll be seeing a fair bit of that £1,200 back in her pocket as well. Certainly that's how it works elsewhere - put your relatives into a houses owned by 'your mate', then overcharge for rent and split the wonga. And he does the same for you...
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RYH64E
3,089 posts
113 months
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gjc10212 said: chris watton said: That is crazy! One of my best friends lives in a council house, a 2 bed semi, and they (he and his wife - both working and no benefits) pay around £280 per month rent. How can £1200 per month ever be justified, and for a flat, too! That is a fairly standard set of figures for London. Have you ever been to Dagenham? £1200 is very expensive for Dagenham, a 1 bed flat should half that (example here http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/proper... ).
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shouldbworking
3,505 posts
81 months
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prand said: Pixelpeep said: Prime example.
Single mother, not worked in 8 years. lived in a 1 bed private rent flat (paid for by housing benefit) In Dagenham, Essex.
her rent is an extortionate £1200 per month so her outgoings should she return to work would be (there are other things not listed but to give an example)
£1200 rent
£400 childcare
£100 council tax
£200 monthly travel card
so a girl with no qualifications and hadn't worked for 8 years would need to land a job where she takes home (after tax) £1900 a month before she can break even.
No wonder she's still on benefit.
makes me sick to think of all these private landlords that are making thousands off the government because they sold off all their council houses and have spunked the money before they paid for any new ones to be built.. £1200 per month? She should move. Genuine question - why isn't she being moved? nationwide search for jobs she could do that would pay enough for her to rent within say 5 miles of the job. Pay for her travel to go interview, if she gets the job move her. Use whatever current methods are employed to avoid people monging it at interview.
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rover 623gsi
1,946 posts
30 months
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shouldbworking said: Genuine question - why isn't she being moved? nationwide search for jobs she could do that would pay enough for her to rent within say 5 miles of the job. Pay for her travel to go interview, if she gets the job move her. Use whatever current methods are employed to avoid people monging it at interview. the two most obvious reasons are: wherever she would move to would already have people capable of doing the job moving her would take time and money
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Blue62
1,393 posts
21 months
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Pixelpeep said: Prime example.
makes me sick to think of all these private landlords that are making thousands off the government because they sold off all their council houses and have spunked the money before they paid for any new ones to be built.. Me too, my neighbour owns upwards of 90 properties and freely admits that the rental income is almost completely drawn from the DHSS, no hassle and higher margins than letting to private tenants. He's putting 3 kids through private school on the back of all this, some may say fair play, it's the system, but I find something morally reprehensible in all of this, I want my taxes put to better use.
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RYH64E
3,089 posts
113 months
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rover 623gsi said: the two most obvious reasons are:
wherever she would move to would already have people capable of doing the job
moving her would take time and money Why not house her in a hostel, pay her in food stamps/vouchers, and make her do some kind of menial community work? The only way to discourage this kind of behaviour is to make the experience very unpleasant, that way future generations won't see it as a career choice.
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DickHerpes
818 posts
28 months
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BoRED S2upid said: rover 623gsi said: BoRED S2upid said: How many hours a week on minimum wage is £12,000? NMW is currently £6.08 for over 21 yrs olds - so £12k is equal to 38 hrs a week at that rate So he could have a second job 50 - 60 hours a week for example. Or he could just claim benefits? No comments on the OPs job offer, but for most people if it's a choice between work 60 hours a week doing menial, unrewarding tasks or not, I struggle to see why anyone would go to work. Which is the whole problem of course!
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rover 623gsi
1,946 posts
30 months
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RYH64E said: Why not house her in a hostel, pay her in food stamps/vouchers, and make her do some kind of menial community work?
The only way to discourage this kind of behaviour is to make the experience very unpleasant, that way future generations won't see it as a career choice. Because there are very, very few hostels and there is no system for issuing or using food stamps or making unemployed people do menial work To be honest, I think her experience is already unpleasant – she is apparently a single mother (with a currently unspecified number of children) living in a one-bed flat, so I doubt it’s that much fun.
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