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Pixelpeep
Original Poster
822 posts
12 months
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Been hearing more and more on the radio car ads stating 'free car tax' and 'only £20 a year car tax' etc thanks to manufacturers managing to reduce co2 output. Does anyone think that the Government will keep the tax breaks on low emission cars or do the Congestion charge trick and move the goal posts once they start to lose revenue? It feels like we are constantly being beaten down until we have so few 'free' choices to make we end up giving in to the 'tailored' life the government choose for us - so many fines and taxes for this and that, i mean.. god forbid i put grass in the wrong colour bin liner 
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Happy82
5,232 posts
39 months
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I think they'll start punishing diesel vehicles a bit more going by recent 'news' (propaganda) about how bad they are for your health and that of little wittle children and bunnies. Either that or global warmig / cooling / climate change / chaos / extreme weather / ice caps / polar bears etc are worse than previously thought and so all vehicles that are not run on solar panels will have to pay VED that is high enough to piss you off and steal more of your earnings but not enough to push you onto alternative modes of transport.
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Caulkhead
4,938 posts
27 months
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Pixelpeep said: Been hearing more and more on the radio car ads stating 'free car tax' and 'only £20 a year car tax' etc thanks to manufacturers managing to reduce co2 output. Does anyone think that the Government will keep the tax breaks on low emission cars or do the Congestion charge trick and move the goal posts once they start to lose revenue? It feels like we are constantly being beaten down until we have so few 'free' choices to make we end up giving in to the 'tailored' life the government choose for us - so many fines and taxes for this and that, i mean.. god forbid i put grass in the wrong colour bin liner They are running out of room to punish CO2. They're going back to punishing diesel next.
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kingofdbrits
216 posts
63 months
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Caulkhead said: They are running out of room to punish CO2. They're going back to punishing diesel next. I think they will go back to punishing Diesels but because the current emmisions test was designed for NA petrols as thats what everyone drove at the time and turbo diesels ace the current test as does stop-go technology. The Diesels i've owned haven't got anywhere close to the manufacturers CO2 claims during 'normal' driving but the petrols have been there or there abouts. My guess is they'll change the EU emmision tests as many manufacurers are designing cars just to do well in the test so they can sell them at a premium to company car drivers and thickos. The logical approach to put VED on fuel duty so we have a fair 'pay as you drive' will be avoided at all costs.
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martin84
5,366 posts
23 months
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Even some of the bigwigs are realising diesel is more harmful than petrol now their coffers are being depleted due to sales of diesel vehicles.
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Otispunkmeyer
2,911 posts
25 months
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if they are going to increase the VED rates (ie move the goal posts, which to them is the simple solution and nets them lots of extra dosh) I hope they also bring in a payment facilty like direct debit. I'd probably be more inclined to pay a larger sum of VED if it was done monthly and not in one lump sum.
Fair enough I could save up each month and pay the next round all in one go, but some times life doesnt work like that and the funds are needed else where. The top band is £405? or more.... works out at £34 a month. Its a bit more manageable.
Personally they should scrap the lot and put it on fuel duty. Wont happen though too many PS jobs at the DVLA to go down the drain.
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smegmore
1,810 posts
46 months
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All 3 of you are correct! 
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Olivera
1,737 posts
109 months
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The recent government VED report hinted at regular (yearly or bi-yearly) c02 rebanding. Think of each bracket moving up one each year and you might be close to the truth...
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martin84
5,366 posts
23 months
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If it was me put in charge of raising more from the system I'd alter the first year tax to be x percentage of what the car is sold for, which should be easy enough to administer. A recurring direct debit at 5% interest would be taken up by much of the public, I wouldn't use it myself but many would and raising some of the lower co2 bands values would help lessen the distortion in market values between petrol and diesel.
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dave_s13
8,440 posts
139 months
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Otispunkmeyer said: if they are going to increase the VED rates (ie move the goal posts, which to them is the simple solution and nets them lots of extra dosh) I hope they also bring in a payment facilty like direct debit. I'd probably be more inclined to pay a larger sum of VED if it was done monthly and not in one lump sum.
Fair enough I could save up each month and pay the next round all in one go, but some times life doesnt work like that and the funds are needed else where. The top band is £405? or more.... works out at £34 a month. Its a bit more manageable.
Personally they should scrap the lot and put it on fuel duty. Wont happen though too many PS jobs at the DVLA to go down the drain. I've often though that myself but don't go putting ideas in their heads. I've a pal lives in Ireland . Bejesus, Do they know how to tax your car! We've got it lucky compared to the potato people.
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REALIST123
1,642 posts
23 months
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Otispunkmeyer said: if they are going to increase the VED rates (ie move the goal posts, which to them is the simple solution and nets them lots of extra dosh) I hope they also bring in a payment facilty like direct debit. I'd probably be more inclined to pay a larger sum of VED if it was done monthly and not in one lump sum.
Fair enough I could save up each month and pay the next round all in one go, but some times life doesnt work like that and the funds are needed else where. The top band is £405? or more.... works out at £34 a month. Its a bit more manageable.
. Be careful what you wish for. You can already pay 6 monthly but it costs a lot more. 12 monthly would probably double the cost.... ...which can be a lot more than £405, incidentally.
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Ozzie Osmond
12,410 posts
116 months
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The owners of older cars should be concerned. There are easy political points to be gained by "charging the worst polluters more money".
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Otispunkmeyer
2,911 posts
25 months
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smegmore said: All 3 of you are correct! No idea how that happened! I'll delete two em!
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Welshbeef
13,180 posts
68 months
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Ozzie Osmond said: The owners of older cars should be concerned. There are easy political points to be gained by "charging the worst polluters more money". Rubbish. The number of old cars is very very small and the extra tax revenue would be minimal so lots of effort and pissing off people for what? I cannot imagine there are more than 500,000 cars older then X reg compared to the total 27m+ vehicles. You always have to be smart with tax go after a portion of a big pie not touching up the frilly edges. Note Ireland tax at c£2k per year.... So we have some way to go yet. Much cheaper than road charging.
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Kermit power
14,975 posts
83 months
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kingofdbrits said: The Diesels i've owned haven't got anywhere close to the manufacturers CO2 claims during 'normal' driving but the petrols have been there or there abouts.  How on earth do you know that? I haven't got a clue how much CO2 is put out by any of the cars I've ever driven in the real world.
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martin84
5,366 posts
23 months
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Welshbeef said: The number of old cars is very very small and the extra tax revenue would be minimal so lots of effort and pissing off people for what?
Fair point. There's currently nearly 350,000 cars for sale on Auto Trader, only 31,000 of them are over ten years old.
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Kermit power
14,975 posts
83 months
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martin84 said: Welshbeef said: The number of old cars is very very small and the extra tax revenue would be minimal so lots of effort and pissing off people for what?
Fair point. There's currently nearly 350,000 cars for sale on Auto Trader, only 31,000 of them are over ten years old. That's not necessarily representative though. How many people actually sell cars over 10 years old, as opposed to just running them into the ground.
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gamefreaks
1,384 posts
57 months
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Kermit power said: How on earth do you know that? I haven't got a clue how much CO2 is put out by any of the cars I've ever driven in the real world. It can be directly calculated from fuel consumption. Fuel + Oxygen = CO2 + Water.
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martin84
5,366 posts
23 months
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Kermit power said: That's not necessarily representative though. How many people actually sell cars over 10 years old, as opposed to just running them into the ground. Well weren't over 200,000 ten year old cars scrapped a few years ago in the scrappage scheme? Thats a lot of older, cheap and perfectly usable cars (the car had to have an MOT to be able to scrap it, madness) no longer in the marketplace. Go to any largeish car park and see what % of cars there are an 02 plate or earlir.
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Kermit power
14,975 posts
83 months
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martin84 said: Well weren't over 200,000 ten year old cars scrapped a few years ago in the scrappage scheme? Thats a lot of older, cheap and perfectly usable cars (the car had to have an MOT to be able to scrap it, madness) no longer in the marketplace.
Go to any largeish car park and see what % of cars there are an 02 plate or earlir. Are we talking any carpark in Kingston upon Thames or any carpark in Kingston upon Hull?
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