Conservative MP - Police Rant.
Discussion
perdu said:
Mr Sparkle said:
So what kicked it all off? Why wasn't he allowed through?
After all the "hatehatehaters" have finished their little rants, this surely is the real question.The "dear old friendly coppers" guarding the most hallowed street in all the land certainly knew Mitchell, he's been going in and out of there for two and a half years.
I suspect they were playing power games, 'cos they can!
Doesn't mean he can rant at them, has bugger all to do with whether two police officers were shot anywhere either, but there are enough sides to this one for it to run and run.
'til the next actual Guvvmint business the left want to kick off over, going to be Universal Benefits isn't it?
Gene Vincent said:
I support anyone who berates jobsworths.
On principle.
I'm inclined too as well, but anyone who can say "don't you know who I am" without a hint of jest or irony is a total tOn principle.
t in my view. And actually no, I didn't know who he was until this. Now I think he's a jumped up little cock socket.
I'd guess he'd had a bad day and this was the last straw and he snapped a bit. If only he was perfect! Nothing of the sort has ever happened to a PH'er, oh no! It would have been better if he'd muttered under his breath though. A politician should know that every utterance is open to being used for political advantage.
Of course, he might just be an arrogant tt but then I don't know him. Anyone met him?
Of course, he might just be an arrogant t
t but then I don't know him. Anyone met him?Gene Vincent said:
I support anyone who berates jobsworths.
On principle.
Hmm. Perhaps the officers were acting on principle, the one about following orders. Like it or not, many people view MPs as targets. Orders are given to those on security posts and they cannot exercise discretion except, one would assume, in extremis. One bloke who did not want to exit via a designated gate because, it seems, he felt he was important, does not come under that exception.On principle.
The police: damned if they do and damned if they don't, but normally by those who don't know what they are talking about.
Derek Smith said:
Gene Vincent said:
I support anyone who berates jobsworths.
On principle.
The police: damned if they do and damned if they don't, but normally by those who don't know what they are talking about.On principle.
It is part of the 'english psyche' to attempt to take down the pompous and the self-agrandised... in this instance we had both elements... the 'pompous' be the t
t on a bike and the self-agrandised was a tt in a uniform.That... is a 'double-bubble' moron-fest, played out right in front of us.
Two civil-servants, neither being civil and neither being servile.
...anyway, stop playing the 'poor old policeman' card, it's wearing a bit thin through over-use.
Cheers
Gene.
I found that one of the most irritating things in normal policing duties was those who needed to challenge something like a closed road or similar. I would be told to stand by a sign which said: Road Closed, with an arrow showing the diverstion route and cars would stop to say that they needed to go down the closed road. They would moan that they had been delayed seemingly completely oblivious of the fact that they wee holding up those behind for no reason.
Often the cause of the obstruction was obivious: fire engines, fires even, that sort of thing.
I could put up with such people as at least it broke the monotany of just standing there but worse, I found, was when trying to stop pedestrians going along a particular footway or road. I've had queues of people putting the same questions. Thee was no way they would not have heard the answer I gave to the person in front of them but they still needed to ask their version of the same question.
There was a story about a PC who had become frustrated at a similar incident and had put a piece of paper under the flap of his tunic pocket which he revealed at the relevant time. He'd written on it: I have no f**king idea where Laura Ashley's is.
This had been refined by a PC I was working with when part of the City was blocked off. He just writeen F**k off. This was received in the spirit that you would expect.
Often the cause of the obstruction was obivious: fire engines, fires even, that sort of thing.
I could put up with such people as at least it broke the monotany of just standing there but worse, I found, was when trying to stop pedestrians going along a particular footway or road. I've had queues of people putting the same questions. Thee was no way they would not have heard the answer I gave to the person in front of them but they still needed to ask their version of the same question.
There was a story about a PC who had become frustrated at a similar incident and had put a piece of paper under the flap of his tunic pocket which he revealed at the relevant time. He'd written on it: I have no f**king idea where Laura Ashley's is.
This had been refined by a PC I was working with when part of the City was blocked off. He just writeen F**k off. This was received in the spirit that you would expect.
Gene Vincent said:
Who's damning the police?
It is part of the 'english psyche' to attempt to take down the pompous and the self-agrandised... in this instance we had both elements... the 'pompous' be the tt on a bike and the self-agrandised was a tt in a uniform.
That... is a 'double-bubble' moron-fest, played out right in front of us.
Two civil-servants, neither being civil and neither being servile.
...anyway, stop playing the 'poor old policeman' card, it's wearing a bit thin through over-use.
Cheers
Gene.
Has there been any suggestion that the police were not civil throughout the exchange? There has been no suggstion that they were being anything other than polite and respectful. It is part of the 'english psyche' to attempt to take down the pompous and the self-agrandised... in this instance we had both elements... the 'pompous' be the t
t on a bike and the self-agrandised was a tt in a uniform.That... is a 'double-bubble' moron-fest, played out right in front of us.
Two civil-servants, neither being civil and neither being servile.
...anyway, stop playing the 'poor old policeman' card, it's wearing a bit thin through over-use.
Cheers
Gene.
Further, you can serve without being servile. You can do it even if you feel comtempt for the person you are serving.
Derek Smith said:
Gene Vincent said:
Who's damning the police?
It is part of the 'english psyche' to attempt to take down the pompous and the self-agrandised... in this instance we had both elements... the 'pompous' be the tt on a bike and the self-agrandised was a tt in a uniform.
That... is a 'double-bubble' moron-fest, played out right in front of us.
Two civil-servants, neither being civil and neither being servile.
...anyway, stop playing the 'poor old policeman' card, it's wearing a bit thin through over-use.
Cheers
Gene.
Has there been any suggestion that the police were not civil throughout the exchange? There has been no suggstion that they were being anything other than polite and respectful. It is part of the 'english psyche' to attempt to take down the pompous and the self-agrandised... in this instance we had both elements... the 'pompous' be the t
t on a bike and the self-agrandised was a tt in a uniform.That... is a 'double-bubble' moron-fest, played out right in front of us.
Two civil-servants, neither being civil and neither being servile.
...anyway, stop playing the 'poor old policeman' card, it's wearing a bit thin through over-use.
Cheers
Gene.
Further, you can serve without being servile. You can do it even if you feel comtempt for the person you are serving.
king gate opened into the road where he lives then he has every fking right to!The problem with the moron of a cop at that time was he couldn't see this because he was a jobsworth who was too dumb to even work out why he was there in the first instance, so in the Chief whips place I'd have called him some choice names too and I wouldn't apologise later either.
Should Andrew Mitchell be sacked for his tirade against the police?
Yes, it demonstrated a lack of judgement and loss of contol 82.8% (7,247 votes)
No, everyone gets frustrated with authority figures sometimes 17.2% (1,505 votes)
Total Votes: 8,752
Yes, it demonstrated a lack of judgement and loss of contol 82.8% (7,247 votes)
No, everyone gets frustrated with authority figures sometimes 17.2% (1,505 votes)
Total Votes: 8,752
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